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B1379 - Sexual activity with animals bill 2018, Joecphillips, seconded by Connor27

A
BILL TO
Legalise sex with animals.

BE IT ENACTED by The Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Commons in this present Parliament assembled, in accordance with the provisions of the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, and by the authority of the same, as follows:—

1- Repeal
(1) Section 69 of the sexual offences act is hereby repealed

2- Citation and commencement
(1) This Act extends to the United Kingdom.
(2) The provisions of this Act come into force on Royal Assent
(3) This Act may be referred to as the Sexual Activity With Animals Act 2018

Notes:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/69
The state should have no place in restricting anyone's sex life because they disagree with it.

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wtf...
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Neigh.
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Animals can't consent, so No. Would love to hear the reasoning behind this bill and why it is required. It's arguably being ideological just for the sake of it
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Animals do not have rights, rights only apply to humans not beasts.

Aye.

(For the record I find the act of bestiality disgusting on a personal level but I don’t see why it shouldn’t be permissible when thinking in a cold and logical manner.)
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Neigh.
God damn it, such a pawful joke xD
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There was a time when I would have opposed this out right. However recently I have come around to the school of thought that said it should not be up to the state to decide the morals of an individual.

The argument of consent is a ridiculous one unless you are a vegan.

I need to think about this some more.
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So Labour's put up a serious bill to improve rail services in Great Britain tonight, and the other bill that's gone up is this...

I've been enthusiastic about submitting a similar bill as a St David's Day joke, but not (what I presume is) seriously.
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Animals do not have rights, rights only apply to humans not beasts.

Aye.

(For the record I find the act of bestiality disgusting on a personal level but I don’t see why it shouldn’t be permissible when thinking in a cold and logical manner.)
not according to law and people who exhibit basic empathy....

obviously a nay, animals CANNOT consent
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not according to law and people who exhibit basic empathy....

obviously a nay, animals CANNOT consent
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Animals can't consent, so No. Would love to hear the reasoning behind this bill and why it is required. It's arguably being ideological just for the sake of it
Animals also can’t consent to living with you should we ban pet ownership?
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The argument of consent is a ridiculous one unless you are a vegan.
How have you arrived at that conclusion? Consent within the context of sexual relationships is absolute, as the law clearly outlines it as a legal necessity for any and all sexual practices to occur. Just because consent may be lacking in other irrelevant areas of life doesn't provide us with carte blanche to go and do whatever we want.

For example, I never consented to go to school when I was legally required to do so. By the same principle, consent didn't matter in that scenario so why should it matter when it comes to sex and all other scenarios? The two are so fundamentally disconnected that they cannot be measured in a similar way. The consumption of other animals is something which is needed for our own survival, and it will always occur without consent due to the consumed also having an instinct to survive, so I am not sure what you're trying to accomplish by arguing that sexual consent only works if consent is a standard given across every other aspect of our lives.

The law as currently written requires all sexual activities to occur with consent. If this was to pass, we would see the emergence of a category of sexual activities which can actually occur without consent being a necessity, and I don't think I need to point out the other categories of sexual subcultures who could make the same arguments to justify why their desires and morality should be legally permissible.
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Nay- I hope this is a joke bill
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Nay- I hope this is a joke bill
Your name and your voting record doesn’t seem to match
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Animals also can’t consent to living with you should we ban pet ownership?
pet ownership is not the same as forced sexual intercourse which is potentially painful - what you said is a complete false equivalence
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pet ownership is not the same as forced sexual intercourse which is potentially painful - what you said is a complete false equivalence
Yes forcibly caging and plenty other things that happen to animals are completely harmless
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Yes forcibly caging and plenty other things that happen to animals are completely harmless
forcibly caging animals should be illegal also; just because 'plenty' of other things that are bad happen to animals doesn't justify this legislation.
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forcibly caging animals should be illegal also; just because 'plenty' of other things that are bad happen to animals doesn't justify this legislation.
So that rules out plenty of pets such as birds and snakes and plenty of others, if consent is a thing with animals then how can anyone own them without their consent?
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So that rules out plenty of pets such as birds and snakes and plenty of others, if consent is a thing with animals then how can anyone own them without their consent?
If I had it my way the exotic pet trade would be limited to people who were able to keep them in conditions as similar as possible to their natural environment and only domesticated animals could be kept as pets without much oversight - yet I’m not oblivious to the fact that this would be an unpopular policy, albeit a more consistent one (which you have pointed out). Such a policy as legalising zoophilia should be lumped into the same pile as caging birds for prolonged periods of time and should be banned.
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In terms of a purely pragmatic reason to oppose this for those who feel they need one, this legislation would be a public health issue by aiding the transmission of diseases from animals into the wider human population. Bestiality can also cause very severe issues for the human taking part due to the body rejecting foreign substances, potentially causing fatal allergic reactions. There is a very, very good reason it doesn't tend to happen in nature and is extraordinarily uncommon in humans.
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Why would someone even want this to be legal??? im so confused lol
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