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I’m just wondering what’s the difference between ‘liberal’, ‘classical liberal’ and ‘libertarian’. I’ve did Google it but I don’t understand the complex jargon. I know liberal means lefty or known as far left. Does classical liberal and libertarian mean not as left wing as liberal. Is classical liberal and libertarian mean the same thing? I’d appreciate anyone to explain the difference between the three in easy to understand term?
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[QUOTE=jamierobinson94;77517958]I’m just wondering what’s the difference between ‘liberal’, ‘classical liberal’ and ‘libertarian’. I’ve did Google it but I don’t understand the complex jargon.

(Original post by jamierobinson94)
I know liberal means lefty or known as far left.
Only in the recent decades and only in the West. In many countries liberal is referred to right wing.
I personally think the right and left wing differentiation is imprecise and obsolete because you can't put all political doctrines onto it in a way that makes sense.
For example where to put national-socialism? It's built on nationalist so it should be on the right side, but is also socialist in terms of economy, so it should be on both sides same time- makes no sense and there is no good argument why should it be on the left ot right.

(Original post by jamierobinson94)
Does classical liberal and libertarian mean not as left wing as liberal.
Let's say so. I believe the modern western liberals are actually a specific kind of social-liberals if not a specific kind of socialists or social-democrats.

(Original post by jamierobinson94)
Is classical liberal and libertarian mean the same thing?
No or at least not exactly. Classical liberalism has many slightly different versions that vary in their approach towards certain specific solutions, for example; should the market be controlled by the state to some small degree, or not at all? Sometimes libertarianism is described as radical liberalism, while some social-liberals will call themselves classical liberals, particularly if their major opposition is much more socialist than them.

(Original post by jamierobinson94)
I’d appreciate anyone to explain the difference between the three in easy to understand term?
I suggest reading some articles on Wikipedia for starters, and then some treaties written by the classics of liberalism. They explain exactly what and why.
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A lot of alt-rightists now identify as "classical liberal" so I guess the term now means ignorant obnoxious delusional racist blowhole.
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Classical liberal — free market economy, small state.
Modern liberal — free market economy, some state intervention.
Libertarian — free market economy, state only where absolutely necessary (e.g. defence) with no intervention.
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A lot of alt-rightists now identify as "classical liberal" so I guess the term now means ignorant obnoxious delusional racist blowhole.
Please go away if you’re going to use a normal question as a soapbox.

Also, you’re so wrong it’s not even funny.
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(Original post by Gatts)
Classical liberal — free market economy, small state.
Modern liberal — free market economy, some state intervention.
Libertarian — free market economy, state only where absolutely necessary (e.g. defence) with no intervention.

Please go away if you’re going to use a normal question as a soapbox.

Also, you’re so wrong it’s not even funny.
It's pretty clear from the definitions you gave that you don't know what how nuanced these terms are -- not one of your definitions above is correct. So it's pretty ironic that you think I'm "wrong" about bashing alt-rightists.
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(Original post by NoSoupForYou)
It's pretty clear from the definitions you gave that you don't know what how nuanced these terms are -- not one of your definitions above is correct. So it's pretty ironic that you think I'm "wrong" about bashing alt-rightists.
Somehow I doubt it, given that my definitions are straight from my A-Level textbook while yours come from... well, Twitter apparently.
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I notice the far left would refer anyone who disagrees with them as ‘far right’. Tommy Robinson is listed as far right even though he’s actually not.
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Nothing, the two are equivalent terms.
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(Original post by NoSoupForYou)
A lot of alt-rightists now identify as "classical liberal" so I guess the term now means ignorant obnoxious delusional racist blowhole.
Nah, SJWs you’re thinking of.

BTW no real alt rightist self-defines as such. I am guessing you mean the likes of Sargon of akkad, who are not alt right. There is an intersection between libertarianism and parts of the alt-right, but given the description you offered, I doubt you even have the foggiest idea about what these ideologies entail, other than how they might trigger you.
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(Original post by NoSoupForYou)
It's pretty clear from the definitions you gave that you don't know what how nuanced these terms are -- not one of your definitions above is correct. So it's pretty ironic that you think I'm "wrong" about bashing alt-rightists.
He's correct, although with regards to "liberals" he seems to be referring to the European version of the term, rather than the American one, which is basically "closeted socialist". You're the one who is in the wrong, here. You can quibble over supposed "nuance" but that is an accurate distillation of what those terms mean by and large.
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Libertarians tend to be crackpots who think the government is coming to taketheir guns so hide out in bunkers in the woods with their militia friends :rolleyes:
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(Original post by NoSoupForYou)
A lot of alt-rightists now identify as "classical liberal" so I guess the term now means ignorant obnoxious delusional racist blowhole.
i now have quinoa & blueberry yoghurt down my Gap blouson.
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(Original post by Gatts)
Somehow I doubt it, given that my definitions are straight from my A-Level textbook while yours come from... well, Twitter apparently.
Your A level textbook offers exceptionally simple definitions. If you took the time to read a decent primer on political ideology/philosophy, you'd soon realise how poor your definitions are.
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Classical Liberals and Libertarians are two sides of the same coin.

Classical Liberals want to place a higher emphasis on personal freedoms, and since the government is the largest threat to personal freedoms, they also want a small state.

Libertarians want a higher emphasis on a smaller government, and, since the government is the biggest threat to personal freedoms, an increase in personal freedoms is tangibly experienced.

As for modern Liberals - who knows anymore. /s

Now, of course, there are many variants of each, and many similar ideologies that are categorised under the same umbrella, but this is a very general starting point.
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Do self-identifying 'libertarians' see self-identifying 'left libertarians' and 'libertarian socialists' as misidentifying or just as bad libertarians?
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duno the difference but I'll tell you what they all have in common: ****ing annoying
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