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Drinking culture at Cambridge?

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Reply 20
Original post by raskolnikova
Trinity Hall has also sent out a college wide email regarding the issue.


That was because it was a TitHall society (The Crescents) that found itself splashed across The Mail and The Sun.

Edit: also without knowing the number of complaints raised at other universities we can't say if 173 is high, low, or whatever. And in context there are about 20,000 students and 10,000 staff.

Although we can of course say it's too many.
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Reply 21
Original post by Fullofsurprises
** wonders if there is a relationship between pies and genius **


Dunno about genius, but having just over three tends to give an Archimedean view of the world.
Original post by Anti-Fem
Hmm... Guys getting drunk and doing dumb ****? What a suprise. Stop acting like women are the only victims of drunken stupidity, plenty of other guys get ****ed over too. Also most rape/sexual harassment cases involve the woman being drunk too, so really it's not "men being entitled" it's more of people being retarded and not drinking properly. JFC the fact you act like you are in major danger despite not even going to the damn college... Honestly the victim playing here is ridiculous. And you know what? I as well as many other TSR users frankly couldn't give a **** if you felt safe or not, that's your own issue. People are entitled to BE safe not to FEEL safe.

Also love how you can easily just make a sweeping generalisation about men being entitled. Ironically men have more variation than women - in terms of size, intelligence, strength, etc. And don't try to say that it is sexist, because it's a bioloigical fact.
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"Stop acting like women are the only victims of drunken stupidity, plenty of other guys get ****ed over too."
Never said they didn't, but since you're so fond of "facts", you might want to recognise that the overwhelming majority of sexual assault victims are women.

"Also most rape/sexual harassment cases involve the woman being drunk too"
How is this relevant... being drunk does not been you're withdrawing your autonomy?

"FC the fact you act like you are in major danger despite not even going to the damn college..."
The colleges interact with each other. They all fall under the umbrella of Cambridge University. Also, I belong to one of the colleges which have faced complaints, so this is pertinent to me.

"if you felt safe or not, that's your own issue. People are entitled to BE safe not to FEEL safe."
When did I EVER claim I have a fundamental right to 'feel' safe? I have a right not to be sexually assaulted. Shocking, I know.
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Original post by raskolnikova
Trinity Hall has also sent out a college wide email regarding the issue.


Indeed, and it's when they send out an email of all things that you know it's a really serious mater.

I remember one college sending around an email asking people to stop peeing in their sinks because it wasn't good for the plumbing.
Original post by TimmonaPortella
Indeed, and it's when they send out an email of all things that you know it's a really serious mater.

I remember one college sending around an email asking people to stop peeing in their sinks because it wasn't good for the plumbing.


The point is the email proves a recognition of the malicious nature of these societies. I'm not going to judge the frankly pathetic response from the college administration which quite frankly has been complicit in a lot of this.
Reply 25
Original post by raskolnikova
The point is the email proves a recognition of the malicious nature of these societies. I'm not going to judge the frankly pathetic response from the college administration which quite frankly has been complicit in a lot of this.


Just wondering, are you at Cambridge already?

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Original post by raskolnikova
The point is the email proves a recognition of the malicious nature of these societies. I'm not going to judge the frankly pathetic response from the college administration which quite frankly has been complicit in a lot of this.


Well you'd be the expert I guess :rolleyes:

Why don't you actually arrive and see what it's like before jumping on the narrative that Cambridge, of all places, is a den of sexual abuse? It is frankly absurd for you to be calling out the colleges in such strong terms on the basis of the very small number of alarmist articles that are available online.
I imagine the "drinking culture" is pretty tame at Cambridge compared to other universities.

I mean sure, people drink. But people are also a lot more studious than at other unis.

And of course the SJWs/feminists at Cambridge are moaning about this. Those people love moaning about everything, and accusing everything under the sun of being misogynistic.
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Original post by Chief Wiggum
I imagine the "drinking culture" is pretty tame at Cambridge compared to other universities.

I mean sure, people drink. But people are also a lot more studious than at other unis.

And of course the SJWs/feminists at Cambridge are moaning about this. Those people love moaning about everything, and accusing everything under the sun of being misogynistic.


You just know the sjw types are only trying to ruin it because they're such insufferable ***** that nobody ever invites them to the pub!
Original post by raskolnikova
I'm not surprised - Cambridge themselves have professed that they have a "deep" problem with sexual assault, which goes hand in hand with a misogynistic and exclusionary drinking culture. Glad I am aware of it now so I can keep my wits about me when I arrive for freshers, especially since I'm of the demographic that is most likely to fall victim to this.


You’re joining wrong dots......

Cambridge ‘professing’ is not because their problem is worse than other universities, but them trying to face the problem more keenly than others.
Compared to most other universities, those problems at Cambridge are nothing.......

After you eventually start at Cambridge, ask your friends who are at other university what sort of night life they have and how frequently they have it. You’ll see what real ‘hard-core drinking culture is like..........
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Original post by Doonesbury

Edit: although Oxf*rd does have twice as many Gregg's.


So... it has two?

OT: as others have said, there is a small minority of people who enjoy this kinda thing at Cambridge. It's not an endemic problem, as is implicit in the fact that they've coalesced into specialised societies which mostly exist in their own little bubble. Not all societies are routinely awful, but there are a few which I suspect will follow the Wyverns and Crescents into being quietly rolled up by their host colleges quite soon: the Newnham Nuns, Sidney Porcs (and the Roundheads, their other society), Trinity Cobblers, Homerton's drinking soc (which apparently has an organised system for spiking girls' drinks...), the Caius Squires, and all three of the Downing socs [Orchids for the gals, Pats for the boys, and Tribe for the rowers] have abysmal reputations. Many colleges' societies are more innocuous, though not without fault (of course). Especially the Downing, Homerton, and Sidney socs I can't see lasting very long (with the possible exception of the Tribe) - there's a lot of pressure mounting to shut them down.

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Original post by threeportdrift
And College Drinking Societies are open to anyone who is interested in that culture - whatever we feel about the quality of that culture.


This is untrue - you have to be invited. Enthusiasm for drinking and wearing salmon chinos isn't sufficient

Original post by threeportdrift

Public schools no more form drinking societies than any standard comprehensive might have groups of sixth formers that go out drinking - it really isn't a public school 'thing' the drinking society.


This is generally not the case - many societies (explicitly or implicitly) only invite people from certain backgrounds.

Original post by threeportdrift

And as they are a small group, interested in their own activities, just like any other student society, I don't see how they are any more isolating than say a music society or a sports club where you'd love to join but don't feel you are good enough. If having a 'public school' affiliation is automatically a 'crime' then presumably the lacrosse club, polo club, acapella singing groups, etc ought also to be sidelined.


Unfortunately, the comparisons with normal societies falls over when you consider that acapella singing groups don't routinely get absolutely battered and sexually assault people (especially freshers or even schoolkids)/cause criminal damage to their colleges. I think you should do a bit more reading on the worryingly extensive connections between drinking societies and sexual assaults in Cambridge...
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Nicely said, Parliament.
However, I suspect that new "organisations" will be formed to replace these things, although they'll be rather more surreptitious.
I doubt it will have much effect on sexual assault statistics or lewd behaviour.
BTW, I presume these societies don't qualify for subsidy from the CCRFC (or whatever its called these days).

And, yes, definitely 2 Greggs in Oxford (3 if you include Bicester - which I woudn't!)
Original post by Doonesbury
Dunno about genius, but having just over three tends to give an Archimedean view of the world.


Archimedes was a regular at Greggs, along with Plato and the Eumenides twins. I understand Aristotle was more of a Nando's person.

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Original post by Fullofsurprises
Archimedes was a regular at Greggs, along with Plato and the Eumenides twins. I understand Aristotle was more of a Nando's person.

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Original post by Doonesbury

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He also dreamed up the Greggs Theorem, 2 pi = one sausage roll.
https://twitter.com/greggsofficial/status/735425085436264448
So does that mean that Cambridge is pi and Oxford is sausage roll?
Original post by thewinelake
Nicely said, Parliament.
However, I suspect that new "organisations" will be formed to replace these things, although they'll be rather more surreptitious.
I doubt it will have much effect on sexual assault statistics or lewd behaviour.
BTW, I presume these societies don't qualify for subsidy from the CCRFC (or whatever its called these days).

And, yes, definitely 2 Greggs in Oxford (3 if you include Bicester - which I woudn't!)


Absolutely - there's no way they can stop organised drinking from happening. But they can make it very difficult by banning the formal society and introducing serious deterrents; when Magdalene ended the Wyverns they made it very clear that they knew who was involved in the society and that those people would be immediately sent down if they were found drinking excessively in Cambridge again. So yes, it forces the drinking societies underground, but they are also forced to cut a much more subdued figure - if college catch wind of noise in college/freshers being assaulted/swaps/events/damage/etc, it's game over.

As far as I'm aware no drinking socs in Cambridge get college funding, which is why they host their garden parties at the end of every year (to be fair, I always go to my college drinking societies' garden party and it's always really good fun - just a nice, restrained afternoon in the sun with a jazz band and whatnot. But then again my college's societies are definitely of the more laid back variety). I was surprised to read on the other page that drinking socs in Oxford sometimes get collegiate funding - is this true??
If a bunch of toffs want to set up an invite only drinking society, then they can go right ahead. There is nothing saying you must be part of a drinking society to thrive in Cambridge. There was a drinking society in my college, I wasn't involved in it, but was still friends with some of the members. Personally I find the idea of a society revolving around drinking to excess to be silly. I managed to be very sociable through my college friends, tripos friends and uni sporting club friends. All of which gave opportunities to get drunk and have fun without ever being a member of a drinking society. Formal, swaps, trips to the Hawks club after training.

Don't fall into the trap of reading a sensationalist headline and assuming that it's indicative of the true Cambridge experience. They make the news, whereas the majority of non-events don't make the news.

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