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again! i did say later that i understand to and from work etc, but wearing it when not suposed to or for no aparent reason. read on b4 u get at me.
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Much better news; :ts:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/w...e-20080307777/
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again! i did say later that i understand to and from work etc, but wearing it when not suposed to or for no aparent reason. read on b4 u get at me.
I did read on but I'm afraid I was far too incensed not to have my say and the fact that someone would assume that we wear our uniform to be intimidating. Also, like I have said, people do it off duty in America because they are PROUD of what they do. Being in the forces isn't just a job, it's a way of life and it may interest you to know that we are actually paid to do 24 hours service (whether or not we actually work all the hours God sends) so why shouldn't we do what the Americans do? I've just had a look at Queen's Regulations and there's nothing there that says you can't wear uniform off duty except in certain special circumstances (someone please correct me if I wrong on this).

I don't chose to wear my uniform outside of work because there's no need and it's what I wear to work so I wouldn't want to wear it on a day off. However, I would like to think that I could do it, if I wanted, without being told I'm doing it to be intimidating; maybe I'm simply proud of what I do.

My Boyfriend recently wore his RAF No.1 uniform to his stepsister's wedding (No.1 is the smart one with a Jacket and Tie), I think that's a perfectly appropriate occasion to wear it off duty.
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Alright, I haven't said something contraversial for a while. Firstly, I agree with what someone else said earlier - NO ONE should be abused randomly in the street because of what they're wearing/their religion/what career they chose.

Then again, I don't think military servicemen should be wearing their uniforms out to be given "special treatment" by the general public (which I think is what Gordon wants if he's encouraging us all to be "proud" of our military personnel) because of the fantastic job their doing. I mean honestly, should everyone else be wearing white feathers...?

If you work in the army, that's your job. If you want to march round in your uniform I don't think it's right for you to get beaten up for it but you should be expected to be associated with the policies that go with the government you work for. I work for the government too and most days I get the general public blaming me for something that Gordon's done recently. If I didn't like it, i'd quit my job.

And the other issue is at the moment, let's face it, military people are a terroist target. You don't see MPs/civil servants going round with t-shirts going "I WORK FOR MI5! PLEASE KIDNAP ME!"
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im sick of the armed forces being hailed as some kind of heroes and people implying that we as a society should feel indebted to them

this is not 1940 and we are not having our liberty threatened by any invading hordes of fascists.

the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq are absolutly nothing to do with us or our 'freedom' and the claim that what is being done out there is somehow protecting us from terrorism at home doesnt stand up either im afraid, in fact the reason we face the threat of domestic terrorism is perhaps directly because of our governemts decision to get involved in these overseas conflicts.

so im sorry but whatever the sort of papers that are read by the great unwashed may monosyllabilcally rant about 'our boys', but they are not 'heroes' from my point of view nor am I indebted to anyone.
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Are you not 'indebted' to the servicemen who took over when the firemen went on strike, or the search and rescue teams in their Sea King helicopters? You probably haven't had to call on their services yourself as you would probably feel more gratitude to the armed forces, but I bet you'd be mightily upset if your house burnt down or you'd fallen off a cliff and the armed service weren't there to save you.

We don't just fight wars in hot sandy countries you know
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Mark

Are you not 'indebted' to the servicemen who took over when the firemen went on strike, or the search and rescue teams in their Sea King helicopters? You probably haven't had to call on their services yourself as you would probably feel more gratitude to the armed forces, but I bet you'd be mightily upset if your house burnt down or you'd fallen off a cliff and the armed service weren't there to save you.

We don't just fight wars in hot sandy countries you know
And are you not indebted to the doctors who save people's lives everyday? Or the teacher's who teach you how to read or write? Or the ruddy dustbin men who clean up our streets?!

ARGH, it's a job people! Just because you're playing - and i'm sorry to say this but I will because i'm finding some comments grossly patronising - "toy soldiers" it doesn't make you better than everyone else. We all do our bit to keep society going round - everyone has responsibilities and makes sacrafices but we don't all wear our work uniforms out so that people can congratulate us on choosing a wonderful career path...
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Mark

Are you not 'indebted' to the servicemen who took over when the firemen went on strike, or the search and rescue teams in their Sea King helicopters? You probably haven't had to call on their services yourself as you would probably feel more gratitude to the armed forces, but I bet you'd be mightily upset if your house burnt down or you'd fallen off a cliff and the armed service weren't there to save you.

We don't just fight wars in hot sandy countries you know
I think the point is that while you do indeed do a dangerous job for not massive amounts of money that has some benefits to the rest of society, so do lots of people. And without the unfortunate side-effect of engaging in illegal wars that the majority of this country didn't want to get involved with.
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I think the point is that while you do indeed do a dangerous job for not massive amounts of money that has some benefits to the rest of society, so do lots of people. And without the unfortunate side-effect of engaging in illegal wars that the majority of this country didn't want to get involved with.
prefectly put.
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And without the unfortunate side-effect of engaging in illegal wars that the majority of this country didn't want to get involved with.
Do you use the term 'engaging' to suggest that there was some decision making involved for any member of the forces?
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the point is i think at what they said is, you choose to go into the forces, unlike in WW1 for example. im not saying you choose to go to afghanistan etc etc but if you joined today or last year for example you know there a high chance that you will end up there. i know a guy whos in iraq for example and he signed up because he knew he WOULD be going there. i understand that they give their life for this country, wherever they may be based and im not doubting that. im just saying that instead of decreasing the respect we do have for them at the same time we should highten the respect we have for people of all other forces including medical and teaching. without any of these none of us here would be where we are now.
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Mark-You are-of course-entitled to have your own point of view.Those who join The Armed Forces,have to go where they are sent.That's an alien proposition to some students.Whatever you do next,at some stage you may have to do something like that,regardless of what your personal feelings/views might be,even if you end up in the Church!!


(Original post by mark renton)
im sick of the armed forces being hailed as some kind of heroes and people implying that we as a society should feel indebted to them

this is not 1940 and we are not having our liberty threatened by any invading hordes of fascists.

the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq are absolutly nothing to do with us or our 'freedom' and the claim that what is being done out there is somehow protecting us from terrorism at home doesnt stand up either im afraid, in fact the reason we face the threat of domestic terrorism is perhaps directly because of our governemts decision to get involved in these overseas conflicts.

so im sorry but whatever the sort of papers that are read by the great unwashed may monosyllabilcally rant about 'our boys', but they are not 'heroes' from my point of view nor am I indebted to anyone.
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And are you not indebted to the doctors who save people's lives everyday? Or the teacher's who teach you how to read or write? Or the ruddy dustbin men who clean up our streets?!
That wasn't my point! Of course I'm indebted to those people! My point was that Mark believes he's not indebted to anyone: he's indebted to anyone who makes his life better from his teachers, to his doctors, to the poor soul who has to empty his bins. I believe we need to appreciate what people do for us, often without thanks. There is a distinct lack of respect in modern society for a lot of the people mentioned above. But that's for another debate I think.

(Original post by jomo)
ARGH, it's a job people! Just because you're playing - and i'm sorry to say this but I will because i'm finding some comments grossly patronising - "toy soldiers" it doesn't make you better than everyone else. We all do our bit to keep society going round - everyone has responsibilities and makes sacrafices but we don't all wear our work uniforms out so that people can congratulate us on choosing a wonderful career path...
Once again, you've missed tha point - the argument here is: "should we wear our uniforms" my answer is, why the bl**dy hell not! THe fact that you've called the people who die out on detachment "toy soldiers" shows the distain you have for anyone who has enough guts to risk their lives for what they believe is right, whether or not you hold their views or not.

But I'm not going to be changing any opinions here, I'm not closed to the point of view of being a civillian and a student because I have been one, and will be both again soon. Many people on here are close minded to the idea of being in the armed forces and aren't prepared to consider another point of view. I'm not coming on this thread again because some of the comments disgust me and in my opinion show an utter lack of respect for any one who has ever fought for the freedom of both the people in this country and the innocent civillians in other countries under an oppresive government.

Yes I understand that many people believe we shouldn't go into these wars and I respect their viewpoint and they should be allowed it. They can write all the letters, petitions and participate in all the protests they want. Just don't belittle someone elses job by refering to them as a "Toy Soldier". Would you say that to an infanteer's face I wonder?
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They kill people for money.. is that something which deserves a great deal of respect?
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I have wore my uniform when returning home on a Friday evening and called in tesco on the way to pick up food for the parents and other half. Got a few funny looks and a few smiles but no negative response. Anyone who does direct abuse my way is acting in a discriminative manner. I live in a democratic society, I can wear what the hell I want (excluding birthday suit). To oppose that is undoing the hard work that our nation and armed forces have battled for.
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(Original post by GR29KHS)
That wasn't my point! Of course I'm indebted to those people! My point was that Mark believes he's not indebted to anyone: he's indebted to anyone who makes his life better from his teachers, to his doctors, to the poor soul who has to empty his bins. I believe we need to appreciate what people do for us, often without thanks. There is a distinct lack of respect in modern society for a lot of the people mentioned above. But that's for another debate I think.
WW3, that will teach respect
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They kill people for money.. is that something which deserves a great deal of respect?
:doh:

They also protect people for money.
Build schools for money.
Defuse landmines for money.
Provide medical care for money.
Dig wells for money.

But I guess that's a bit irrelevant when you're talking about teenage socialist *******s...
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:doh:

They also protect people for money.
Build schools for money.
Defuse landmines for money.
Provide medical care for money.
Dig wells for money.

But I guess that's a bit irrelevant when you're talking about teenage socialist *******s...
You forgot the fact that should a 'real' war come up in which we truely need to defend our country that they will be the ones to do it. If they army didn't exist I can guarantee these rich kid Che Guevera loving losers wouldn't be allowed to espouse such views in the public forum.
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^ Yeah, freedom of speech makes you sick doesn't it.

Should a real war come up in which we truely need to defend our country there'll be nuclear missiles involved and we'll all be screwed anyway. In the unlikely event nukes aren't involved conscription will come along and most able bodied people will be out there fighting anyway. And then I'd fully support them, because they didn't choose to go into such a situation.

The army is a military force, it has a damnsite more guns than nurses running around saving children, building schools and defusing landmines. Soldiers are trained to kill people, everything else comes second. Non-conscription soldiers chose to kill people of their own free will, knowing what they'd be going in for.

I didn't ask them to fight for me, I don't support any of the causes they're fighting for and I'll be damned if I'm going to take responsibility for them, in any form. I contribute taxes and that helps pay their wages. I would never be rude or unpleasant towards a member of the military for the sake of it, but nor would I feel any desire to offer them additional support. That's up to the government, not me.
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(Original post by alanmcg)
The army is a military force, it has a damnsite more guns than nurses running around saving children, building schools and defusing landmines. Soldiers are trained to kill people, everything else comes second. Non-conscription soldiers chose to kill people of their own free will, knowing what they'd be going in for.
Ah, I see you've served then. :rolleyes:

(The army has far more people in support arms than combat arms, never mind the RAF and RN but don't let the facts bother you)
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