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Original post by lemoncow
Why? You're going to regret it eventually. You are aware that one of the practices involves brutally beheading innocent animals i.e. goats and then hanging them upside down and draining their blood all in the name of your God. Converting to this religion should be a sin in itself.


Whatever your source is, it's wrong. Anyone can make up anything, why are believing them with no evidence?
Reply 81
Original post by EverythingChina
Jesus Christ was a prophet (PBUH),
the evidence is clear in the bible:

Isaiah, 29:12. And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. Muslim scholars interprets this verse as a prophecy of Muhammad, as tradition says that when the Archangel Gabriel commanded Muhammad to read something, he replied "I am not learned."

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) stated that he cannot read because he is illiterate, if you believe that this didn't happen, then the prophecy from your God is false, which means that he does not exist because this did not happen.

Furthermore, Jesus never unequivocally said that he IS GOD, your faith relies on Jesus even being God at the first place!

Mainstream Christians forget everything what God did in the old testament and just focus on the new testament. Hell, your Jesus (who you call God) allowed slavery? and said rape was okay?

God tells Isaiah the coming of a new prophet to non-gentiles (If you want the quote I will tell you.) and guess what only religion that acknowledges Jesus as a prophet? Islam. Muhammad (PBUH) was the one that came to non-gentiles, yet you worship Jesus.

Moreover, Jesus himself said people will worship me in vain, in the commandment of men! Matthew 15:9.

You see, trinity is a commandment of men, it is NO WHERE mentioned in the OLD TESTAMENT or the NEW TESTAMENT.

And, the word "Allah" means The One and Only God. The one worthy to be worshiped. May Allah bless you and give you hidayah just like Allah guided me to the right path.


You said

"Hell, your Jesus (who you call God) allowed slavery? and said rape was okay?"


Please show me the verses you refer to.
Original post by f_spanish
Do you think it is right to kill people who dont pray to a god or a prophet?


Where in the Quran and hadith, sayings of the Prophet (SAW) does it state this? I'm not trying to come off as mean but just genuinely asking of the knowledge you've been informed of.
Original post by EverythingChina

What If I told you that In the Qur'an there is no where mentioned the dress code for a woman? No where mentioned the killings of innocent people. The Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said "The one who kills an innocent person, will not even smell the scent of Paradise.".


Doesn't it say somewhere something along the lines of, 'punish those who are not true believers in the Almighty'? Also, it's not okay to kill innocent PEOPLE but what about innocent animals? What's a valid counterargument for that?
Original post by lastminutestats
Whatever your source is, it's wrong. Anyone can make up anything, why are believing them with no evidence?


What?? Literally every single muslim I know does this. Stop playing dumb.
Original post by f_spanish
Do you think it is right to kill people who dont pray to a god or a prophet?


إذا قُتلت إنسانًا واحدًا ، فهو كما لو قتلت كل البشرية





“If You Kill One Human, It’s As If You Killed All of Humanity”
Original post by Racoon
Above you said

"Furthermore, Jesus never unequivocally said that he IS GOD, your faith relies on Jesus even being God at the first place!"

The bible says:-

John 10:30 (Jesus speaks) - The Father and I are one.

John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

Colossians 2:9-10 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily. and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.


Above you said

"You see, trinity is a commandment of men, it is NO WHERE mentioned in the OLD TESTAMENT or the NEW TESTAMENT".


God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit - the bible says:-

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.


There's loads more if you wish to read them

http://biblereasons.com/jesus-is-god/



Mark 13:32

"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Jesus makes it clear that he himself doesn't know the day of Judgement but only the Father does? How come? Jesus is God as well?


Matthew 26:39

And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will."



Why? If Jesus is God, he can Will just like his Father? And why does he fell on his face and pray? This is similar to how Muslims and I pray to my God?
omg mashAllah this is great news! <333333
Reply 88
Original post by EverythingChina
Jesus Christ was a prophet (PBUH),
the evidence is clear in the bible:

Isaiah, 29:12. And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. Muslim scholars interprets this verse as a prophecy of Muhammad, as tradition says that when the Archangel Gabriel commanded Muhammad to read something, he replied "I am not learned."

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) stated that he cannot read because he is illiterate, if you believe that this didn't happen, then the prophecy from your God is false, which means that he does not exist because this did not happen.

Furthermore, Jesus never unequivocally said that he IS GOD, your faith relies on Jesus even being God at the first place!

Mainstream Christians forget everything what God did in the old testament and just focus on the new testament. Hell, your Jesus (who you call God) allowed slavery? and said rape was okay?

God tells Isaiah the coming of a new prophet to non-gentiles (If you want the quote I will tell you.) and guess what only religion that acknowledges Jesus as a prophet? Islam. Muhammad (PBUH) was the one that came to non-gentiles, yet you worship Jesus.

Moreover, Jesus himself said people will worship me in vain, in the commandment of men! Matthew 15:9.

You see, trinity is a commandment of men, it is NO WHERE mentioned in the OLD TESTAMENT or the NEW TESTAMENT.

And, the word "Allah" means The One and Only God. The one worthy to be worshiped. May Allah bless you and give you hidayah just like Allah guided me to the right path.


You said

And, the word "Allah" means The One and Only God.

Does it? Really? Where do you get this information from?

This is interesting

[video="youtube;EH03En47Ifk"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH03En47Ifk[/video]
Original post by Racoon
Such as?


Sources:biggrin:onald Morgan

GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.

GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.

GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.

GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.

GE 1:26 Man is to have dominion over fish, birds, cattle, and all wild animals, yet--
GE 2:15-17 It is wrong to be able to tell good from evil, right from wrong.

GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.

GE 1:28 God encourages reproduction.
LE 12:1-8 God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)

GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
(Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience as well as with the fact that God allegedly does not change his mind: NU 23:19-20, 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17.)

GE 2:4, 4:26, 12:8, 22:14-16, 26:25 God was already known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) much earlier than the time of Moses.
EX 6:2-3 God was first known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) at the time of the Egyptian Bondage, during the life of Moses.

GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.

GE 2:15-17, 3:4-6 It is wrong to want to be able to tell good from evil.
HE 5:13-14 It is immature to be unable to tell good from evil.

GE 4:4-5 God prefers Abel's offering and has no regard for Cain's.
2CH 19:7, AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.

GE 4:9 God asks Cain where his brother Able is.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.

GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.
LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
2SA 22:7-8 (KJV) "I called to the Lord; ... he heard my voice; ... The earth trembled and quaked, ... because he was angry. Smoke came from his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it."
EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."
2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love.
GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

GE 4:16 Cain went away (or out) from the presence of the Lord.
JE 23:23-24 A man cannot hide from God. God fills heaven and earth.

GE 6:3 The Lord said, "My spirit will not be in man forever, for he is only flesh; so the days of his life will be a hundred and twenty years."
GE 9:29 Noah lived nine hnndred and fifty years.

GE 6:4 There were Nephilim (giants) before the Flood.
GE 7:21 All creatures other than Noah and his clan were annihilated by the Flood.
NU 13:33 There were Nephilim after the Flood.

GE 6:6. EX 32:14, NU 14:20, 1SA 15:35, 2SA 24:16 God does change his mind.
NU 23:19-20, 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17 God does not change his mind.

GE 6:19-22, 7:8-9, 7:14-16 Two of each kind are to be taken, and are taken, aboard Noah's Ark.
GE 7:2-5 Seven pairs of some kinds are to be taken, and are taken, aboard the Ark.

GE 7:1 Noah was righteous.
JB 1:1,8, JB 2:3 Job was righteous.
LK 1:6 Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous.
JA 5:16 Some men are righteous, (which makes their prayers effective).
1JN 3:6-9 Christians become righteous (or else they are not really Christians).
RO 3:10, 3:23, 1JN 1:8-10 No one was or is righteous.

GE 7:7 Noah and his clan enter the Ark.
GE 7:13 They enter the Ark (again?).

GE 11:7-9 God sows discord.
PR 6:16-19 God hates anyone who sows discord.

GE 11:9 At Babel, the Lord confused the language of the whole world.
1CO 14:33 Paul says that God is not the author of confusion.

GE 11:12 Arpachshad [Arphaxad] was the father of Shelah.
LK 3:35-36 Cainan was the father of Shelah. Arpachshad was the grandfather of Shelah.

GE 11:26 Terah was 70 years old when his son Abram was born.
GE 11:32 Terah was 205 years old when he died (making Abram 135 at the time).
GE 12:4, AC 7:4 Abram was 75 when he left Haran. This was after Terah died. Thus, Terah could have been no more than 145 when he died; or Abram was only 75 years old after he had lived 135 years.

GE 12:7, 17:1, 18:1, 26:2, 32:30, EX 3:16, 6:2-3, 24:9-11, 33:11, NU 12:7-8, 14:14, JB 42:5, AM 7:7-8, 9:1 God is seen.
EX 33:20, JN 1:18, 1JN 4:12 God is not seen. No one can see God's face and live. No one has ever seen him.

GE 10:5, 20, 31 There were many languages before the Tower of Babel.
GE 11:1 There was only one language before the Tower of Babel.

GE 15:9, EX 20:24, 29:10-42, LE 1:1-7:38, NU 28:1-29:40, God details sacrificial offerings.
JE 7:21-22 God says he did no such thing.

GE 16:15, 21:1-3, GA 4:22 Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac.
HE 11:17 Abraham had only one son.

GE 17:1, 35:11, 1CH 29:11-12, LK 1:37 God is omnipotent. Nothing is impossible with (or for) God.
JG 1:19 Although God was with Judah, together they could not defeat the plainsmen because the latter had iron chariots.

GE 17:7, 10-11 The covenant of circumcision is to be everlasting.
GA 6:15 It is of no consequence.

GE 17:8 God promises Abraham the land of Canaan as an "everlasting possession."
GE 25:8, AC 7:2-5, HE 11:13 Abraham died with the promise unfulfilled.

GE 17:15-16, 20:11-12, 22:17 Abraham and his half sister, Sarai, are married and receive God's blessings.
LE 20:17, DT 27:20-23 Incest is wrong.

GE 18:20-21 God decides to "go down" to see what is going on.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.

GE 19:30-38 While he is drunk, Lot's two daughters "lie with him," become pregnant, and give birth to his offspring.
2PE 2:7 Lot was "just" and "righteous."

GE 22:1-12, DT 8:2 God tempts (tests) Abraham and Moses.
JG 2:22 God himself says that he does test (tempt).
1CO 10:13 Paul says that God controls the extent of our temptations.
JA 1:13 God tests (tempts) no one.

GE 27:28 "May God give you ... an abundance of grain and new wine."
DT 7:13 If they follow his commandments, God will bless the fruit of their wine.
PS 104:15 God gives us wine to gladden the heart.
JE 13:12 "... every bottle shall be filled with wine."
JN 2:1-11 According to the author of John, Jesus' first miracle was turning water to wine.
RO 14:21 It is good to refrain from drinking wine.

GE 35:10 God says Jacob is to be called Jacob no longer; henceforth his name is Israel.
GE 46:2 At a later time, God himself uses the name Jacob.

GE 36:11 The sons of Eliphaz were Teman, Omar, Zepho, Gatam, and Kenaz.
GE 36:15-16 Teman, Omar, Zepho, Kenaz.
1CH 1:35-36 Teman, Omar, Zephi, Gatam, Kenaz, Timna, and Amalek.

GE 49:2-28 The fathers of the twelve tribes of Israel are: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Zebulun, Issachar, Dan, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Joseph, and Benjamin.
RE 7:4-8 (Leaves out the tribe of Dan, but adds Manasseh.)

GE 50:13 Jacob was buried in a cave at Machpelah bought from Ephron the Hittite.
AC 7:15-16 He was buried in the sepulchre at Shechem bought from the sons of Hamor.

EX 3:1 Jethro was the father-in-law of Moses.
NU 10:29, JG 4:11 (KJV) Hobab was the father-in-law of Moses.

EX 3:20-22, DT 20:13-17 God instructs the Israelites to despoil the Egyptians, to plunder their enemies.
EX 20:15, 17, LE 19:13 God prohibits stealing, defrauding, or robbing a neighbor.

EX 4:11 God decides who will be dumb, deaf, blind, etc.
2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is a god of love.

EX 9:3-6 God destroys all the cattle (including horses) belonging to the Egyptians.
EX 9:9-11 The people and the cattle are afflicted with boils.
EX 12:12, 29 All the first-born of the cattle of the Egyptians are destroyed.
EX 14:9 After having all their cattle destroyed, then afflicted with boils, and then their first-born cattle destroyed, the Egyptians pursue Moses on horseback.

EX 12:13 The Israelites have to mark their houses with blood in order for God to see which houses they occupy and "pass over" them.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from God.

EX 12:37, NU 1:45-46 The number of men of military age who take part in the Exodus is given as more than 600,000. Allowing for women, children, and older men would probably mean that a total of about 2,000,000 Israelites left Egypt.
1KI 20:15 All the Israelites, including children, number only 7000 at a later time.

EX 15:3, 17:16, NU 25:4, 32:14, IS 42:13 God is a man of war--he is fierce and angry.
RO 15:33, 2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is a god of love and peace.

EX 20:1-17 God gave the law directly to Moses (without using an intermediary).
GA 3:19 The law was ordained through angels by a mediator (an intermediary).

EX 20:4 God prohibits the making of any graven images whatsoever.
EX 25:18 God enjoins the making of two graven images.

EX 20:5, 34:7, NU 14:18, DT 5:9, IS 14:21-22 Children are to suffer for their parent's sins.
DT 24:16, EZ 18:19-20 Children are not to suffer for their parent's sins.

EX 20:8-11, 31:15-17, 35:1-3 No work is to be done on the Sabbath, not even lighting a fire. The commandment is permanent, and death is required for infractions.
MK 2:27-28 Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath (after his disciples were criticized for breaking the Sabbath).
RO 14:5, CN 2:14-16 Paul says the Sabbath commandment was temporary, and to decide for yourself regarding its observance.

EX 20:12, DT 5:16, MT 15:4, 19:19, MK 7:10, 10:19, LK 18:20 Honor your father and your mother is one of the ten commandments. It is reinforced by Jesus.
MT 10:35-37, LK 12:51-53, 14:26 Jesus says that he has come to divide families; that a man's foes will be those of his own household; that you must hate your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, and even your own life to be a disciple.
MT 23:9 Jesus says to call no man on earth your father.

EX 20:13, DT 5:17, MK 10:19, LK 18:20, RO 13:9, JA 2:11 God prohibits killing.
GE 34:1-35:5 God condones trickery and killing.
EX 32:27, DT 7:2, 13:15, 20:1-18 God orders killing.
2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord slaughters 185,000 men.
(Note: See Atrocities section for many more examples.)

EX 20:14 God prohibits adultery.
HO 1:2 God instructs Hosea to "take a wife of harlotry."

EX 21:23-25, LE 24:20, DT 19:21 A life for a life, an eye for an eye, etc.
MT 5:38-44, LK 6:27-29 Turn the other cheek. Love your enemies.

EX 23:7 God prohibits the killing of the innocent.
NU 31:17-18, DT 7:2, JS 6:21-27, 7:19-26, 8:22-25, 10:20, 40, 11:8-15, 20, JG 11:30-39, 21:10-12, 1SA 15:3 God orders or approves the complete extermination of groups of people which include innocent women and/or children.
(Note: See Atrocities section for many other examples of the killing of innocents.)

EX 34:6, DT 7:9-10, TS 1:2 God is faithful and truthful. He does not lie.
NU 14:30 God breaks his promise.

EX 34:6, DT 7:9-10, TS 1:2 God is faithful and truthful. He does not lie.
1KI 22:21-23 God condones a spirit of deception.

EX 34:6, DT 7:9-10, TS 1:2 God is faithful and truthful. He does not lie.
2TH 2:11-12 God deludes people, making them believe what is false, so as to be able to condemn them. (Note: some versions use the word persuade here. The context makes clear, however, that deception is involved.)

EX 34:6-7, JS 24:19, 1CH 16:34 God is faithful, holy and good.
IS 45:6-7, AM 3:6 God is responsible for evil.

EX 34:6-7, HE 9:27 God remembers sin, even when it has been forgiven.
JE 31:34 God does not remember sin when it has been forgiven.

LE 3:17 God himself prohibits forever the eating of blood and fat.
MT 15:11, CN 2:20-22 Jesus and Paul say that such rules don't matter--they are only human injunctions.

LE 19:18, MT 22:39 Love your neighbor [as much as] yourself.
1CO 10:24 Put your neighbor ahead of yourself.

LE 21:10 The chief priest is not to rend his clothes.
MT 26:65, MK 14:63 He does so during the trial of Jesus.

LE 25:37, PS 15:1, 5 It is wrong to lend money at interest.
MT 25:27, LK 19:23-27 It is wrong to lend money without interest.

NU 11:33 God inflicts sickness.
JB 2:7 Satan inflicts sickness.

NU 15:24-28 Sacrifices can, in at least some case, take away sin.
HE 10:11 They never take away sin.

NU 25:9 24,000 died in the plague.
1CO 10:8 23,000 died in the plague.

NU 30:2 God enjoins the making of vows (oaths).
MT 5:33-37 Jesus forbids doing so, saying that they arise from evil (or the Devil).

NU 33:38 Aaron died on Mt. Hor.
DT 10:6 Aaron died in Mosera.

NU 33:41-42 After Aaron's death, the Israelites journeyed from Mt. Hor, to Zalmonah, to Punon, etc.
DT 10:6-7 It was from Mosera, to Gudgodah, to Jotbath.

DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21 God is sometimes angry.
MT 5:22 Anger is a sin.

DT 7:9-10 God destroys his enemies.
MT 5:39-44 Do not resist your enemies. Love them.

DT 18:20-22 A false prophet is one whose words do not come true. Death is required.
EZ 14:9 A prophet who is deceived, is deceived by God himself. Death is still required.

DT 23:1 A castrate may not enter the assembly of the Lord.
IS 56:4-5 Some castrates will receive special rewards.

DT 23:1 A castrate may not enter the assembly of the Lord.
MT 19:12 Men are encouraged to consider making themselves castrates for the sake of the Kingdom of God.

DT 24:1-5 A man can divorce his wife simply because she displeases him and both he and his wife can remarry.
MK 10:2-12 Divorce is wrong, and to remarry is to commit adultery.

DT 24:16, 2KI 14:6, 2CH 25:4, EZ 18:20 Children are not to suffer for their parent's sins.
RO 5:12, 19, 1CO 15:22 Death is passed to all men by the sin of Adam.

DT 30:11-20 It is possible to keep the law.
RO 3:20-23 It is not possible to keep the law.

JS 11:20 God shows no mercy to some.
LK 6:36, JA 5:11 God is merciful.

JG 4:21 Sisera was sleeping when Jael killed him.
JG 5:25-27 Sisera was standing.

JS 10:38-40 Joshua himself captured Debir.
JG 1:11-15 It was Othniel, who thereby obtained the hand of Caleb's daughter, Achsah.

1SA 8:2-22 Samuel informs God as to what he has heard from others.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees and hears everything.

1SA 9:15-17 The Lord tells Samuel that Saul has been chosen to lead the Israelites and will save them from the Philistines.
1SA 15:35 The Lord is sorry that he has chosen Saul.
1SA 31:4-7 Saul commits suicide and the Israelites are overrun by the Philistines.

1SA 15:7-8, 20 The Amalekites are utterly destroyed.
1SA 27:8-9 They are utterly destroyed (again?).
1SA 30:1, 17-18 They raid Ziklag and David smites them (again?).

1SA 16:10-11, 17:12 Jesse had seven sons plus David, or eight total.
1CH 2:13-15 He had seven total.

1SA 16:19-23 Saul knew David well before the latter's encounter with Goliath.
1SA 17:55-58 Saul did not know David at the time of his encounter with Goliath and had to ask about David's identity.

1SA 17:50 David killed Goliath with a slingshot.
1SA 17:51 David killed Goliath (again?) with a sword.

1SA 17:50 David killed Goliath.
2SA 21:19 Elhanan killed Goliath. (Note: Some translations insert the words "the brother of" before Elhanan. These are an addition to the earliest manuscripts in an apparent attempt to rectify this inconsistency.)

1SA 21:1-6 Ahimalech was high priest when David ate the bread.
MK 2:26 Abiathar was high priest at the time.

1SA 28:6 Saul inquired of the Lord, but received no answer.
1CH 10:13-14 Saul died for not inquiring of the Lord.

1SA 31:4-6 Saul killed himself by falling on his sword.
2SA 1:2-10 Saul, at his own request, was slain by an Amalekite.
2SA 21:12 Saul was killed by the Philistines on Gilboa.
1CH 10:13-14 Saul was slain by God.

2SA 6:23 Michal was childless.
2SA 21:8 (KJV) She had five sons.

2SA 24:1 The Lord inspired David to take the census.
1CH 21:1 Satan inspired the census.

2SA 24:9 The census count was: Israel 800,000 and Judah 500,000.
1CH 21:5 The census count was: Israel 1,100,000 and Judah 470,000.

2SA 24:10-17 David sinned in taking the census.
1KI 15:5 David's only sin (ever) was in regard to another matter.

2SA 24:24 David paid 50 shekels of silver for the purchase of a property.
1CH 21:22-25 He paid 600 shekels of gold.

1KI 3:12 God made Solomon the wisest man that ever lived, yet ....
1KI 11:1-13 Solomon loved many foreign women (against God's explicit prohibition) who turned him to other gods (for which he deserved death).

1KI 3:12, 4:29, 10:23-24, 2CH 9:22-23 God made Solomon the wisest king and the wisest man that ever lived. There never has been nor will be another like him.
MT 12:42, LK 11:31 Jesus says: "... now one greater than Solomon is here."

1KI 4:26 Solomon had 40,000 horses (or stalls for horses).
2CH 9:25 He had 4,000 horses (or stalls for horses).

1KI 5:16 Solomon had 3,300 supervisors.
2CH 2:2 He had 3,600 supervisors.

1KI 7:15-22 The two pillars were 18 cubits high.
2CH 3:15-17 They were 35 cubits high.

1KI 7:26 Solomon's "molten sea
Original post by Racoon
You said

And, the word "Allah" means The One and Only God.

Does it? Really? Where do you get this information from?

This is interesting

[video="youtube;EH03En47Ifk"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH03En47Ifk[/video]


I thank all the knowledgeable Arabic speakers and Muslim scholars who clarified the etymology of “Allah” for us.

But the problem I see with how the question is phrased, is that it is comparing words from different languages that use different idioms and conventions for conveying nuances of meaning.

We are all clear now that, in Arabic, “Allah” means literally “the G-d,” and that this term is used only in referring to the identical deity that Jews, Muslims, and Christians all worship as the One true G-d. To a believer, there are no others.

Arabic expresses this uniqueness by using the definite article, ‘the.” English could do so, too, but as a matter of idiom and social convention, English generally just capitalizes the word “G-d” when referring to the monotheist’s deity, and “god” (lowercase) when referring generally to any other alleged deity. There are no capital letters in Arabic.

The answer which claimed that Muslims worship Allah, Jews worship Y-H-V-H, and Christians worship Jesus, is in my view incorrect.

The root word of Allah “the G-d” is directly cognate (in a sister Semitic language) to the Hebrew word “el,” (אל ), meaning “god” in the generic sense as referring to any pagan deity, and, in Judaism, Y-H-V-H is not a separate deity but merely the hidden name of the one true G-d (despite the theories of modern, mostly Protestant Christian, “critical Bible scholars” to the contrary).

And, while (Trinitarian) Christians also worship Jesus, based upon their belief that he is the indivisible son of the one true G-d in a mysterious Trinity that is one entity with 3 personae, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the “God the Father” whom Christians worship is exactly the same deity as the Muslim Allah and the Jewish Y-H-V-H. (But don’t ask me to explain the concept of the trinity it never made any sense to me, so I’ll leave that to the Trinitarian Christians to explain.) There are some Christian sects who de-emphasize or deny entirely the divinity of Jesus and treat him merely as a prophet or philosopher, not a deity (Unitarians, for instance).
Reply 91
Original post by EverythingChina
Mark 13:32

"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Jesus makes it clear that he himself doesn't know the day of Judgement but only the Father does? How come? Jesus is God as well?


Matthew 26:39

And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will."

Why? If Jesus is God, he can Will just like his Father? And why does he fell on his face and pray? This is similar to how Muslims and I pray to my God?



Philippians 2 v 7 (Jesus) - Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to cling to, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross.


The limitation implied by Jesus in that bible verse is with regard to the human side of Jesus nature.

Jesus, the eternal Word in becoming flesh, “emptied Himself” of the infinity which belongs to the divine attributes, and took on Him the limitations necessarily incidental to man’s nature.



Regarding the method Jesus used to pray you quoted Matthew 26 v 39

Then He said to them, “My soul is consumed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with Me.” Going a little farther, He fell face down and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me. Yet not as I will, but as You will.” 40 Then Jesus returned to the disciples ......

Jesus collapsed with the weight of sorrow, he had as he mentioned before. No where in the bible does this say this is the method of prayer, follow it.

Why do you pray as you do then? Jesus didn't do that even in the verse you quoted as your weak example.


Jesus did say to pray like this though so why don't you do this?

Luke 11:1-13 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus’ Teaching on Prayer

11 One day Jesus was praying in a certain place. When he finished, one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, just as John taught his disciples.” 2 He said to them, “When you pray, say:
“‘Father, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come.
3 Give us each day our daily bread.
4 Forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us. And lead us not into temptation.”
Reply 92
Original post by EverythingChina
I thank all the knowledgeable Arabic speakers and Muslim scholars who clarified the etymology of “Allah” for us.

But the problem I see with how the question is phrased, is that it is comparing words from different languages that use different idioms and conventions for conveying nuances of meaning.

We are all clear now that, in Arabic, “Allah” means literally “the G-d,” and that this term is used only in referring to the identical deity that Jews, Muslims, and Christians all worship as the One true G-d. To a believer, there are no others.

Arabic expresses this uniqueness by using the definite article, ‘the.” English could do so, too, but as a matter of idiom and social convention, English generally just capitalizes the word “G-d” when referring to the monotheist’s deity, and “god” (lowercase) when referring generally to any other alleged deity. There are no capital letters in Arabic.

The answer which claimed that Muslims worship Allah, Jews worship Y-H-V-H, and Christians worship Jesus, is in my view incorrect.

The root word of Allah “the G-d” is directly cognate (in a sister Semitic language) to the Hebrew word “el,” (אל ), meaning “god” in the generic sense as referring to any pagan deity, and, in Judaism, Y-H-V-H is not a separate deity but merely the hidden name of the one true G-d (despite the theories of modern, mostly Protestant Christian, “critical Bible scholars” to the contrary).

And, while (Trinitarian) Christians also worship Jesus, based upon their belief that he is the indivisible son of the one true G-d in a mysterious Trinity that is one entity with 3 personae, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the “God the Father” whom Christians worship is exactly the same deity as the Muslim Allah and the Jewish Y-H-V-H. (But don’t ask me to explain the concept of the trinity it never made any sense to me, so I’ll leave that to the Trinitarian Christians to explain.) There are some Christian sects who de-emphasize or deny entirely the divinity of Jesus and treat him merely as a prophet or philosopher, not a deity (Unitarians, for instance).


Copy and pasta
Original post by Perfection Ace
Top geeza! I pray that Allah has mercy on you and grants you paradise.


Don't forget the 72 Virgins :h:
Original post by Racoon
Copy and pasta


The fact that you ignored the contradictions in the bible without replying.

The fact that you ignored that the word "Allah" means God without commenting on it.
Holy cr*p @EverythingChina is actually killing it rn! God damn!

Anyways, are you fasting? And if so how are you finding it :tongue:
Reply 96
Do you have a history of mental health problems?
Original post by Racoon
Above you said

"Furthermore, Jesus never unequivocally said that he IS GOD, your faith relies on Jesus even being God at the first place!"

The bible says:-

John 10:30 (Jesus speaks) - The Father and I are one.

John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

Colossians 2:9-10 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily. and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.


Above you said

"You see, trinity is a commandment of men, it is NO WHERE mentioned in the OLD TESTAMENT or the NEW TESTAMENT".


God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit - the bible says:-

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.


There's loads more if you wish to read them

http://biblereasons.com/jesus-is-god/


1. The Word is God

2. The Word is flesh therefore God is flesh

3. The flesh died therefore God died lool

Original post by Racoon
You said

And, the word "Allah" means The One and Only God.

Does it? Really? Where do you get this information from?

This is interesting

[video="youtube;EH03En47Ifk"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH03En47Ifk[/video]


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Reply 98
Original post by Zamestaneh
1. The Word is God

2. The Word is flesh therefore God is flesh

3. The flesh died therefore God died lool



There's no lool'ing matter here. God is spirit.

You really don't get it, I know I could spend an hour giving a very detailed reply to you but it would be pearls before swine I'm afraid.
Reply 99
Original post by EverythingChina
The fact that you ignored the contradictions in the bible without replying.

The fact that you ignored that the word "Allah" means God without commenting on it.


Post 91 which you chose to ignore. Watch the video for some education, you might be surprised.

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