(Original post by iwilson03)
If we don't have a solution in mind how do we progress? How do you view the situation?
I'm not suggesting that all pupils should look to get equal grades, that'd be mad
, but I do feel that grammar schools divert resources and in segregating pupils they do the opposite of creating intellectually diverse school communities. I feel that even the grammar students get a raw deal, more often than not they're not able to concentrate on their areas of enjoyment - art etc. - because it is expected that they focus on the traditional areas. I think this is wrong. Pupils should intermix in the same school environment and if you are good at science and art then you go to the top sets in these subjects. Someone who is really good at English but wouldn't have got into grammar because of drawbacks in say maths would be able to mix with the very best of English students, while still staying within their 'range' in terms of maths classes. You get the picture (I hope, I am distracted by the football as I type).
I don't think using the term 'academic segregation' should be a problem, if it makes people uncomfortable then that's their problem
We don't live in a meritocracy either, I don't know anyone who thinks we do
Uni's are a different case. You go to study one or two subjects, i.e., subject by subject streaming. By that point you are meant to have specialised, a completely different environment to a secondary school or primary school one where you are meant to be fostering a diverse array of talent/skills whatever.
I can't exactly take fault with this, as (aside from specific policies) the methodology sounds logical. I'll be keen to see what UKIP legislation looks like this term to be honest..
1) Tentatively. Having a solution in mind is all well and good, but if it's not viable it's pointless. For example a solution to poverty is give everyone loads of money.... I personally don't now what's best. I think the peace talks are a good start, I think Hamas need to mollify their stance on Israel but that will only happen if land is returned to them IMO, in which case the short regress ends with Israel - we will have to see. I'm not aware of the situation ENOUGH to be able to giveany sort of comprehensive answer; I know what it's not rather than what it is, so to speak.
2) It's ok I'm similarly distracted. I know, and I'm a huge fan of a streaming system, but I feel there is still a place for Grammar schools within our education system for the reasons outlined. Although I [personally, not party line yet] would potentially reduce the number - which would mean that many many student that would have been Grammar school students will instead be at comps, fulfilling your aims with the streaming.
I completely reject your point about interests btw, in every Grammar I know art, and especially music, is promoted even more than in the comprehensives. As are things like writing competitions, starting your own sports clubsand the like.
You know me, I think we do - although it's not a strict meritocracy of course. The point was more to illuminate the principle efficiently.
I have no issue with the university point, that's fair enough and I will concede you are correct - at least in terms of comparing Schools year 7 - 11 with universities.
3) Aye, well the party is very much in transition at the moment. With the election of a new leader/DL and the entry of several new members things will hopefully start to look different; most notably [I hope] in the attitude of members.