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(Original post by cambo211)
Do the rest of the socialist party believe that their leader must resort to foul language in debates?
Have you ever read any novels by James Kelman? The use of swearing is inherently part of working-class communication, the fact the puritanical bourgeois and upper-working class faux-respectables consider it to be an anathema to their very christian goodliness is more their problem than the person using **** in all its verbal, adjectival, and nounal force. But to complain that it's just one asterix after another rather reminds me of the complaints levelled at Kelman by people like Kingsley Amis. Funny that, in the absence of anything more intelligent to say, people will comment on you speak, dress, or look as if it's so important to emphasise difference and hierarchical superiority.
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(Original post by SciFiBoy)
clearly you are unfamiliar with typo's then
Clearly you are unfamiliar with proof-reading.
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(Original post by Adorno)
Have you ever read any novels by James Kelman? The use of swearing is inherently part of working-class communication, the fact the puritanical bourgeois and upper-working class faux-respectables consider it to be an anathema to their very christian goodliness is more their problem than the person using **** in all its verbal, adjectival, and nounal force. But to complain that it's just one asterix after another rather reminds me of the complaints levelled at Kelman by people like Kingsley Amis. Funny that, in the absence of anything more intelligent to say, people will comment on you speak, dress, or look as if it's so important to emphasise difference and hierarchical superiority.
Sorry, I don't understand you, can you type that again but not in a Cornish accent?
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to be fair now it has been bought to my attention, I do swear a bit too much at times, this is partly because im under alot of strees at the moment sorting out stuff for Uni, I apologise if this has caused offense, but I am passionate about my political views and feel very strongly about them, this when combined with being in not the best of moods means that I do tend to be less stringent about checking what I say.
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(Original post by Indievertigo)
Sorry, I don't understand you, can you type that again but not in a Cornish accent?
Eh? I dunni ken whit ye's gang on aboot.
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to be fair now it has been bought to my attention, I do swear a bit too much at times, this is partly because im under alot of strees at the moment sorting out stuff for Uni, I apologise if this has caused offense, but I am passionate about my political views and feel very strongly about them, this when combined with being in not the best of moods means that I do tend to be less stringent about checking what I say.

That's all i wanted to hear.

Best of luck with sorting stuff for uni .

I don't move in for two weeks.
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That's all i wanted to hear.

Best of luck with sorting stuff for uni .

I don't move in for two weeks.
same, but Student Finance have been making things as hard as possible for me, everytime I send them stuff they ask for more, its just generally a pain really, im hoping to have it confirmed that its all sorted out this week.
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same, but Student Finance have been making things as hard as possible for me, everytime I send them stuff they ask for more, its just generally a pain really, im hoping to have it confirmed that its all sorted out this week.

I had the same problem but fortunately mines sorted.
I then had a similar problem with the university when the only accommodation they offered me was the most expensive on campus. Leaving me with a £100 after paying my accommodation.
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I had the same problem but fortunately mines sorted.
I then had a similar problem with the university when the only accommodation they offered me was the most expensive on campus. Leaving me with a £100 after paying my accommodation.
that sucks, I should have a bit spare after paying mine, its just a case of making sure it actually goes in.
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same, but Student Finance have been making things as hard as possible for me, everytime I send them stuff they ask for more, its just generally a pain really, im hoping to have it confirmed that its all sorted out this week.
Last year, I didn't get most of my student Finance entitlement till January. The first Semester was quite bad, but then I was pretty loaded come Semester 2!
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Last year, I didn't get most of my student Finance entitlement till January. The first Semester was quite bad, but then I was pretty loaded come Semester 2!
ah, well I hope it goes in, otherwise im gonna be living on a very tight budget till january myself!
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If mine doesn't go in I will be living on next to nothing. It will literally be tinned food and cheap bread, unless I can find a job quick time.
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Can you answer any of the questions put to you over two readings of B318? Anyone? helooooo..... What I want to know, was how the hell this idea arrived before the house? If you pursue with this policy will you be changing thew party name?
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thats one of those bills that I can see both sides of, on the one hand if people do have such large sums of money, I can understand why you would want to take some of it back to pay for there incarceration, but I can also see why people would object to taking money away from people like that, tbh I should have said this before we sent it to the house, but I digress, I failed to do so, largely as tend slighty more toward it being okay, though, I cant say its hugely important to me either way.

as for how it affects the party policy wise, there is NO whip, or at least, as far as im concerned there isnt, so if you want to object to it at any point or abstain or even oppose any of our bills, that is your perrogative as a member, unless said bill is something like "protecting the NHS" then neither I, nor anyone else in the party (save maybe the bills author) is likely to take you to task over it.
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How do members of the Socialist Party respond to the Misesian critique of socialism, in particular the economic calculation problem?
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Wrt to SciFiBoy's latest rep comment I wondered why Socialists thought Tories and Libertarians were "arrogant, self righteous hatefilled greedy pig[strike]"?

:holmes:

I can certainly say why I think Socialists are idiotic and naive but I'm not sure this is so easily defensible.
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Have you ever read any novels by James Kelman? The use of swearing is inherently part of working-class communication, the fact the puritanical bourgeois and upper-working class faux-respectables consider it to be an anathema to their very christian goodliness is more their problem than the person using **** in all its verbal, adjectival, and nounal force. But to complain that it's just one asterix after another rather reminds me of the complaints levelled at Kelman by people like Kingsley Amis. Funny that, in the absence of anything more intelligent to say, people will comment on you speak, dress, or look as if it's so important to emphasise difference and hierarchical superiority.
Now that all three leaders look like identikit models and all come from not too dissimilar middle-class backgrounds (despite the Miliband brothers having gone to a state school as a result presumably of their academic father's ideology), you must surely admit that people do latch onto appearance and such things, as much as we might rather they didn't? And most socialists believe in democracy, which would imply that such things are important [since they are to the electorate, whose trust parties/candidates have to gain]. Or are you more of a firebrand-wielding communist than a Fabian?

(Also, just so you know, the formal adjectival form of noun is sadly not nounal, but nominal. )
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Now that all three leaders look like identikit models and all come from not too dissimilar middle-class backgrounds (despite the Miliband brothers having gone to a state school as a result presumably of their academic father's ideology), you must surely admit that people do latch onto appearance and such things, as much as we might rather they didn't? And most socialists believe in democracy, which would imply that such things are important [since they are to the electorate, whose trust parties/candidates have to gain]. Or are you more of a firebrand-wielding communist than a Fabian?
When you've read Raymond Williams' Keywords and are aware of the differentiation between socialist conceptions of democracy and liberal ones, do get back to me about what socialists believe in. Frankly I'm not a firebrand communist but neither am I a limp-wristed social democrat. I'm in between. However I will say this: the reason Ed Miliband was chosen by the Labour Party was not because of his appearance but because of what he said. Women members of the Labour Party I know who found David Miliband "quite dishy" still voted for Ed Miliband because of his ideas and his policies which rather suggests to me that far from latching onto appearances, political choices in this country are still made based on ideas. However much the right-wing media and the Blairite middle-classes would love it not to be the case.

(Also, just so you know, the formal adjectival form of noun is sadly not nounal, but nominal. )
D'you reckon? Well I have to say that the Oxford English Dictionary disagrees. I know who I trust.
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Wrt to SciFiBoy's latest rep comment I wondered why Socialists thought Tories and Libertarians were "arrogant, self righteous hatefilled greedy pig[strike]"?

:holmes:

I can certainly say why I think Socialists are idiotic and naive but I'm not sure this is so easily defensible.
lol, you do know that by posting that you essentially prove my point...

geez, you people think you are superior to everyone else and you only care about personal gain, you fail to realise that by perpetuating capitalism, you are seriously harming the human race, the mere fact you refuse to see this and constantly talk down to others, is exactly why I feel perfectly justified in attacking you and those who share your views and personality.

also, I dont claim to speak for all Socialists, unlike you I would not be so arrogant and self assuming.
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also, I dont claim to speak for all Socialists, unlike you I would not be so arrogant and self assuming.
I think it's a natural tendency for a Libertarian :p:
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