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    Would you want to provide free university education? And how would you, if you were the government, pay the fee?
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    (Original post by paddy__power)
    Should have guessed :facepalm2:
    Sorry to disappoint
    (Original post by MsGD)
    Would you want to provide free university education? And how would you, if you were the government, pay the fee?
    Yes. And through taxation, obviously.
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    (Original post by MsGD)
    Would you want to provide free university education? And how would you, if you were the government, pay the fee?
    yep, and as Stircof said, through taxation
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    (Original post by Stricof)
    Sorry to disappoint
    Yes. And through taxation, obviously.
    You've always been a disappointment to me :moon:
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    (Original post by MsGD)
    Would you want to provide free university education? And how would you, if you were the government, pay the fee?
    Insofar as it is possible though I don't really believe it is. University is not the only form of post-secondary education that is and should be available. I think we focus far too much on university and neglect other sectors of further and higher education and should like to see far more resources devoted to those areas and if that means making university something for which we pay a marginal fee for then so be it.

    So I'm afraid I must dissent from the absolutism of my comrades and say that it's not a straight yes and no answer here.
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    Insofar as it is possible though I don't really believe it is. University is not the only form of post-secondary education that is and should be available. I think we focus far too much on university and neglect other sectors of further and higher education and should like to see far more resources devoted to those areas and if that means making university something for which we pay a marginal fee for then so be it.

    So I'm afraid I must dissent from the absolutism of my comrades and say that it's not a straight yes and no answer here.
    I would say as Socialists we should provide all of those things free, as I have said before I do not consider economic barries to doing such things to be valid.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    Yes and what is more profitable than the choice, or whim of the majority? In your society the minorities choices will always be dictated by that of the majority, that is evident whether you scream supply and demand or not.
    Well, to a certain extent, yes. But doesn't that apply for any society? In a planned economy you get pretty much no choice. But even now, there is something to suit even the smallest groups, and I don't see how you could argue that if a tiny majority wanted a certain product someone, somewhere is morally compelled to produce it for them. Supply and demand isn't some silly slogan; it is integral to the functioning of any economic system.

    How, in your chosen vision of society, will minorities have any more choice apart from producing the goods they want themselves?
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    (Original post by SciFiBoy)
    I would say as Socialists we should provide all of those things free, as I have said before I do not consider economic barries to doing such things to be valid.
    The principle of free at the point of use is the universal ideal. In this case we have choices to make and at some point we do run out of things to make free. University doesn't have to be free for everyone, it need only be free at the point of use where there is a financial barrier to opportunity. In other words, free higher education is not a universal benefit, even under socialism. If a person is capable of paying they should and the State should assist those who cannot. That leaves the State with greater wealth - since it is not wasting money on the rich - with funds to be able to expand other areas of education which are traditonally neglected because of the focus on the rather middle-class form of post-secondary education, the university.
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    (Original post by SciFiBoy)
    yep, and as Stircof said, through taxation
    So would tax rise for all classes?
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    What's a socialist? Is it the same as a socialite?
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    (Original post by MsGD)
    So would tax rise for all classes?
    ideally not, we should first try and get some of the £100bn+ lost each year in tax avoidance, then look at raising taxes for the rich and big bussiness, raising taxes for the poorest in society is not something Socialists would ever intrinsicly seek to do

    the debate is somewhat off though, I mean, I would advocate getting rid of the current system altogether and replacing it with a Socialist one, so debating about things within the current system is quite limiting to me.
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    (Original post by paddy__power)
    What's a socialist? Is it the same as a socialite?
    a Socialist is a splending human being who wants to create a better world for all of us based on equality and fairness, as well as the unity of our species.
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    (Original post by SciFiBoy)
    a Socialist is a splending human being who wants to create a better world for all of us based on equality and fairness, as well as the unity of our species.
    Like those Mark and Eagles guys I heard about?
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    (Original post by paddy__power)
    What's a socialist? Is it the same as a socialite?
    Socialists are one of two things: practical idealists or theoretical factionalists. Both exist on TSR and I'll leave it up to you to work out a list and put it on my desk by friday. :p:
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    Socialists are one of two things: practical idealists or theoretical factionalists. Both exist on TSR and I'll leave it up to you to work out a list and put it on my desk by friday. :p:
    I'll not take bets on which list is longer :mmm:
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    Socialists are one of two things: practical idealists or theoretical factionalists. Both exist on TSR and I'll leave it up to you to work out a list and put it on my desk by friday. :p:
    im curious as to which category you would put me into?
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    (Original post by paddy__power)
    I'll not take bets on which list is longer :mmm:
    Oh all bets are off on that particular aspect of this week's set task.
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    (Original post by SciFiBoy)
    im curious as to which category you would put me into?
    Oh, I'm more interested in Paddy's deconstruction to be honest. I have my own lists and needless to say there are a tiny number of practical idealists here. The vast majority of the Socialists on TSR (and in real life) are theoretical factionalists. I guess it's up to the individual to consider which side of the line they may be on.

    But I ask the simple question: is the amelioration of the working-class more important than universal absolutes?
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    (Original post by SciFiBoy)
    ideally not, we should first try and get some of the £100bn+ lost each year in tax avoidance, then look at raising taxes for the rich and big bussiness, raising taxes for the poorest in society is not something Socialists would ever intrinsicly seek to do

    the debate is somewhat off though, I mean, I would advocate getting rid of the current system altogether and replacing it with a Socialist one, so debating about things within the current system is quite limiting to me.

    Socialists are very generous with other people money aren't they?

    Here's a novel idea, stop wasting money and reduce taxes for everybody!

    But of course Socialists would never agree to that. What would happen to all the quangos, arts-councils and artificial public sector jobs that leftists depend on?


    PS: Do none of you people not see the breakdown in logic of students rioting and demanding that taxpayers(including those who never went to university) pay for their education? How anyone can argue that builders being forced to pay for middle-class kids' education is beyond me.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Socialists are very generous with other people money aren't they?

    Here's a novel idea, stop wasting money and reduce taxes for everybody!

    But of course Socialists would never agree to that. What would happen to all the quangos, arts-councils and artificial public sector jobs that leftists depend on?


    PS: Do none of you people not see the breakdown in logic of students rioting and demanding that taxpayers(including those who never went to university) pay for their education? How anyone can argue that builders being forced to pay for middle-class kids' education is beyond me.
    lol.
 
 
 
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