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Anyone a communist here?
What do you think? :rolleyes:
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What do you think? :rolleyes:
If England ever turned Communist would you be able to buy things from shops like iPods etc?
when did you become a Com?
Do you think Britain will ever become Socialist in your life, realistically?
Can you link me their manifesto?
If they were ever voted in, would it turn into a dictatorship?
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If England ever turned Communist would you be able to buy things from shops like iPods etc?

If they were ever voted in, would it turn into a dictatorship?
No you wouldn't be able to buy Ipod since you don't "need them", and whatever council/commune/co-op etc etc authority had power, I doubt they would allow it, also depends on whether they are international communists or Trots.

And communism, on a large scale, has always turned into a dictatorship.
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No you wouldn't be able to buy Ipod since you don't "need them", and whatever council/commune/co-op etc etc authority had power, I doubt they would allow it, also depends on whether they are international communists or Trots.

And communism, on a large scale, has always turned into a dictatorship.
So how come you can buy these things in China?
Why would you vote for a party democratically for them to turn it into a dictatorship? Seems abit ironic
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So how come you can buy these things in China?
Why would you vote for a party democratically for them to turn it into a dictatorship? Seems abit ironic
Because China is a mixed-state capitalist nation? Maybe? Yeah?

The only people that think china is communist are the deluded high ranking government cronies, and American Republicans lol.

"Communist" parties haven't been "democratically" elected though, communism, in almost all examples, has been revolutionary. The prolateriat doens't want it to turn into a dictatorship, but its invitable as the possibility is inherant in Marx work which mixes with general human nature.
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If England ever turned Communist would you be able to buy things from shops like iPods etc?
If I had my way, I would scrap the entire monetary system entirely and have us all live in a moneyless society instead. I hate Capitalism and always have done. I see it as the embodiment of evil and, in my opinion, it has encouraged everything evil that we have ever done as humans.

when did you become a Com?
I wouldn't say I'm really a Communist per se, but rather an open-minded Libertarian Socialist who incorporates Marxist and Communist philosophies into my thinking.

Do you think Britain will ever become Socialist in your life, realistically?
I think that remains to be seen. In order for that to happen, everybody would have to be of a similar mindset and be prepared to accept these changes. We must truly be willing to work together as a society, and be united by the single aim of working towards the advancement of the human race.

Can you link me their manifesto?
Absolutely! I'll find it and link it to you later.

If they were ever voted in, would it turn into a dictatorship?
Absolutely not! Democracy and social equality is at the very forefront of the ideology of the TSR Socialist Party, it is the heart of our way of thinking. If we were elected into power, we would govern the country in the interests of the many, not the few. Our people would always come first.
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Would you allow tncs in your socialist island? The reason I ask this is because some are really nationalist socialists.

How would you set up a socialist island from scratch?

Can I read your manifesto?

I think it's time to research properly into socialism before I apply again
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Would you allow tncs in your socialist island? The reason I ask this is because some are really nationalist socialists.

How would you set up a socialist island from scratch?

Can I read your manifesto?

I think it's time to research properly into socialism before I apply again
Hey blueray, another prospective socialist? In theory it sound pretty good, but I like buying things and don't think the British public would ever vote in majority
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1. If I had my way, I would scrap the entire monetary system entirely

2. moneyless society instead.

3. encouraged everything evil that we have ever done as humans.

4. Absolutely not! Democracy

5. we would govern the country in the interests of the many, not the few. Our people would always come first.
1. Would be a disaster, you will plunge EVERYBODY but a few strongmen and the well connected into absolute poverty.

2. Hehe, post-feaudal societies that have tried abolishing capitalis have eventually have to turn to making some some of third barter, third coupon, third capital system, and the rest have turned into a state socialist or state capitalist system.

3. Capitalism is less that 500 years old

4. Non current "communist" system is democratic, and communism has always come about via revolution. I don't think there are any non-revolutionary communists. Maybe the party line is democratic, but communists aren't.

5. Ok so you vow for direct democracy here, what if the people wanted stricter immigration (which they do) in the majority, that pretty much contradicts any modern socialist position on that, basically, if you wanna get populist, the people of the UK, in the majority, are a mish mash of Labour's marco economic views, the Tory's micro economic policies, UKIP's immirgation policy, share many socially liberal views from the green party, and are anti-interventionist.
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Hey blueray, another prospective socialist? In theory it sound pretty good, but I like buying things and don't think the British public would ever vote in majority
I used to be one but stopped after I voted against disarming nuclear weapons a long time ago
But I have changed my views on that now
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1. Would be a disaster, you will plunge EVERYBODY but a few strongmen and the well connected into absolute poverty.

2. Hehe, post-feaudal societies that have tried abolishing capitalis have eventually have to turn to making some some of third barter, third coupon, third capital system, and the rest have turned into a state socialist or state capitalist system.

3. Capitalism is less that 500 years old

4. Non current "communist" system is democratic, and communism has always come about via revolution. I don't think there are any non-revolutionary communists. Maybe the party line is democratic, but communists aren't.

5. Ok so you vow for direct democracy here, what if the people wanted stricter immigration (which they do) in the majority, that pretty much contradicts any modern socialist position on that, basically, if you wanna get populist, the people of the UK, in the majority, are a mish mash of Labour's marco economic views, the Tory's micro economic policies, UKIP's immirgation policy, share many socially liberal views from the green party, and are anti-interventionist.
First of all, before I answer your so-called qualms, may I ask why you seem convinced that we're all a bunch of revolutionist Communists? As I've just said, the vast majority (myself included) of our members are Socialist visionaries, whereby we incorporate these philosophies into our way of thinking. If we were truly a hard-line Communist party, surely we would be aptly named the TSR Communist Party?
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Would you allow tncs in your socialist island? The reason I ask this is because some are really nationalist socialists.

How would you set up a socialist island from scratch?

Can I read your manifesto?

I think it's time to research properly into socialism before I apply again
Blimey, how did you get so much neg?

I don't know anything about your politics, but i remember you being relatively in either the chat or general discussion forums? Being those forums, it wasn't about much (mostly spam :p:) but you seemed to be quite a popular person? Unless i'm getting you confused with someone else

The communist manifesto is a good foundation, but i think it is rather outdated - i'm not a Marxist. I haven't read that much into political systems, but i recall Bordieu's commentaries being quite convincing (actually, the results from my dissertation research resulted in me stumbling upon his idea of social capital - fascinating). Bordieu illustrated alternative forms of capital that are advantageous/necessary to succeed under a capitalist system rather than just money/success, he spoke of cultural and social capital (i think there was another form of capital too, but i can't remember exactly).
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First of all, before I answer your so-called qualms, may I ask why you seem convinced that we're all a bunch of revolutionist Communists? As I've just said, the vast majority (myself included) of our members are Socialist visionaries, whereby we incorporate these philosophies into our way of thinking. If we were truly a hard-line Communist party, surely we would be aptly named the TSR Communist Party?
I wasn't suggesting you were.
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I wasn't suggesting you were.
4. Non current "communist" system is democratic, and communism has always come about via revolution. I don't think there are any non-revolutionary communists. Maybe the party line is democratic, but communists aren't.
Forgive me for thinking that you're accusing our members of being Communist revolutionaries. :erm:
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And medicine was so great before capitalism !?
Lol seriously? You had two days and that's the best you've come up with?

That's right, I remember, Hippocrates charged people thousands of dollars before he healed them, and Avicenna only wrote his Canon of Medicine because his publishers promised him an obscene advance.

And of course, Jonas Salk patented the polio vaccine to make a huge profit off it. I'm sure he'd never have done something stupid like give it away for free...that way people like cleaners might have been vaccinated and he would have felt really insecure

Oh wait, none of that sounds right, does it?

Don't insult medical history by lumping great minds in with cheap profiteers and mindless capitalists.

Also, three letters: NHS.

Until there was great rewards for succeeding in the fields of medicine in terms of financial as well as prestige gains (admittedly).
To study medicine you have to be intelligent - intelligent people can generally pick between a large variety of career options and will rationally weigh up both monetary and non-monetary welfare factors associated with each job - but there reaches a point where your deciding to help people to your own detriment (if your paid too little) and you are nto rewarded for having developed such skills.
Well I've got into a medical school and have studied at a medical school, and at no point did I "weigh up the monetary welfare factors" (whatever that means). If I wanted to get rich, I'd have gone into law or investment banking, not a profession which not only costs a fortune simply to get qualified in but also does not pay amazingly well. This is what you are not getting: it is stupid to go into medicine for monetary reasons in this country, as it is just not that well paid considering the work that is involved.

No-one would do extra work if there was no extra reward (obvioulsy you do favours for others, but that is in the hope that when you're in trouble people will do the same, so it i still maximising self-interest). You socialists are way too optimistic about human nature.
Extra work? Medicine is a job. Some people choose to be bakers, some people teachers, some people firemen. Some people choose to be doctors. No one forces you into it. Incidentally, the fact that it is a profession that has existed since ancient times (i.e. before capitalism) and exists in non-monetary societies i.e. think medicine men in tribal communities should tell you that being a doctor transcends modern day neoliberal ideals of "get rich or die tryin'" which is what capitalists are concerned with.

(Original post by prog2djent)
No you wouldn't be able to buy Ipod since you don't "need them", and whatever council/commune/co-op etc etc authority had power, I doubt they would allow it, also depends on whether they are international communists or Trots.

And communism, on a large scale, has always turned into a dictatorship.
This is Ask a Socialist, not Ask a Moron or Ask a Capitalist. Why are you (misre)presenting our positions for us?

Oh and read this, you're totally wrong btw:

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...8#post34800898
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What does this mean? I'm slightly Communist?
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What does this mean? I'm slightly Communist?
Yes. Quick, go read so Hayek before you start up your own Gulag!


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You're left of center, so you're probably a social democrat, not a socialist or a communist. Don't really see how you can be a slight proponent of abolishing capitalism and introducing communism.
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This is Ask a Socialist, not Ask a Moron or Ask a Capitalist. Why are you (misre)presenting our positions for us?

Oh and read this, you're totally wrong btw:

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...8#post34800898
IDC if actual "communists" use all this technology, but under their guise, thei principle, what they would ideally have in place, would not to be able to buy these products. Firstly because you can't "buy" things in a society without capital, despite the fact the society that did try to abolish capital, Catalonian spain, ended up going back to it. And any other society that didn't/hasn't can't be classes as advanced and no-one from this age, would want to live in it, unless anarch-communists are determined to turn is alo back into grubs, in that case, anarcho-communists are secretely primitivists!!!

Anyway, a communist authority, as communists would like to envision one, i/e, a council, commune, stateless collective or a collectivised judiciary sphere, would ban the purchase of ipods, firstly, because they are made under exploitative conditions in a capitalist economy, if they were trots, or secondly, international communism, as marx-engels envisioned, then ipods would most likely not distrobuted, or made, firstly because under initial "dictatorship of the prolateriate conditions" central planning takes over, no-need to go into that, I'm afraid Mises, Friedman, and even every Keyensian has that covered for me, and fails. Or that in statelessness, without a profit motive, there is no-need to create an ipod, and for those cutesy woostsy anarcho-communists, ipods wont be created because they are not based upon labour and fit for purpose labour.

I've got about 6 more scenarios floating round in my head but I CBA going into them, because this is all pointless waxing.

I', not misrepresenting your views, I never suggested this society was communist, just that the person I was talking to was/was asking about that area.

For the modern p***** "socialists", to-the-left social democrats and democratic socialists, almost no ideas are shared with communism or orthodox socialism (who were anarchists, who favoured a capital-less society).
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Yes. Quick, go read so Hayek before you start up your own Gulag!


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You're left of center, so you're probably a social democrat, not a socialist or a communist. Don't really see how you can be a slight proponent of abolishing capitalism and introducing communism.
Modern Social democrats are right wing, they are pro-capitalism, and pro-private market in most areas, lets look at some countries, pretty much all of Scandanavia.

99.99999999999999999999999999999 999999999999999% of people who call themself "centre-left" are centre right (economically) beacuse you find these people ARE pro-capitalism, but just heavily regulated.
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Modern Social democrats are right wing, they are pro-capitalism, and pro-private market in most areas, lets look at some countries, pretty much all of Scandanavia.

99.99999999999999999999999999999 999999999999999% of people who call themself "centre-left" are centre right (economically) beacuse you find these people ARE pro-capitalism, but just heavily regulated.
Sorry, I forgot when you became master of the definitions and got to decide that "left" was synonymous with "revolutionary anti-capitalist" :/
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