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What's the deal with socialists always trying to doge questions? Why won't you say what your policies on crime and justice are?
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What's the deal with socialists always trying to doge questions? Why won't you say what your policies on crime and justice are?
Because as an opposition party, we "don't have to have policies" as our Conservative colleagues in the "Official" Opposition have intimated in their actions. Why we should reveal our policies when the government have done nothing is beyond me.
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Because as an opposition party, we "don't have to have policies" as our Conservative colleagues in the "Official" Opposition have intimated in their actions. Why we should reveal our policies when the government have done nothing is beyond me.
Hold everything - you can't steal our lines! :p:

And welcome back to bickering party politics being an ordinary member Alasdair
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Hold everything - you can't steal our lines! :p:
I appropriated it! Thereby making it my own cultural space.


*resolves to stop reading French post-structural philosophy*
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I appropriated it! Thereby making it my own cultural space.


*resolves to stop reading French post-structural philosophy*
Well, I guess that pretty much stops you guys attacking us with this comment in the future
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(Original post by UniOfLife)
Well, I guess that pretty much stops you guys attacking us with this comment in the future
Only me. Insofar as I remain part of the Socialists at any rate. I know of at least one who would love to see the back of me. :rolleyes:
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Because as an opposition party, we "don't have to have policies" as our Conservative colleagues in the "Official" Opposition have intimated in their actions. Why we should reveal our policies when the government have done nothing is beyond me.
So you're being brought down to their level?
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Only me. Insofar as I remain part of the Socialists at any rate. I know of at least one who would love to see the back of me. :rolleyes:
Yet another reason why these threads are pretty much a waste of time.

Oh, and "oooh" to the intrigue and infighting in the Socialist Party
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So you're being brought down to their level?
No, I'm playing the Tories at their own game. They won't then come in and ask questions such as Dave's (it's legitimate and I would normally answer but I'm feeling a bit militant) and I don't appreciate outsiders coming in and making the sorts of suggestions you have.

We've answered the questions above as well as we can - by we I mean the person who came and answered them - and that's the best you're going to get. We're open enough to have one of these threads but sometimes the questions aren't that useful to us!
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(Original post by oriel historian)
We're open enough to have one of these threads but sometimes the questions aren't that useful to us!
Does that mean you havent got any policies regarding crime and justice?
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Does that mean you havent got any policies regarding crime and justice?
Not at all!
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Not at all!
So you're not answering on principle then? so we wont create one (simply because it will end up in a **** match, with stupid questions like "Are you a bunch of selfish capitalist pigs", with us being completly insulted) and so you refuse to answer our questions in an ask a question thread. Why have it open at all?
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Does that mean you havent got any policies regarding crime and justice?
We have six MPs. We develop legislation based on their individual priorities and interests. With such a small power-base, we can hardly be expected to roll out programs on every single issue. And the Socialist party doesn't take top-down policy positions -- we believe every socialist is entitled to their own individual opinion. We debate issues as they come up (whether that be through external or internal means).
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We have six MPs. We develop legislation based on their individual priorities and interests. With such a small power-base, we can hardly be expected to roll out programs on every single issue. And the Socialist party doesn't take top-down policy positions -- we believe every socialist is entitled to their own individual opinion. We debate issues as they come up (whether that be through external or internal means).
Thank you Grape, although it wasnt an answer to the issue, its an answer none the less.
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Thank you Grape, although it wasnt an answer to the issue, its an answer none the less.
The question itself is broad and vague - and therefore not entirely helpful. I believe lots of things about crime and justice. Are you just asking for random opinions?
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The question itself is broad and vague - and therefore not entirely helpful. I believe lots of things about crime and justice. Are you just asking for random opinions?
Ok, can I ask a few specific questions, my first one, do you believe the sentencing for death caused by dangerous driving is adequate?
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What policies regarding crime and justice do the Socialist advocate?
Firstly, as Grape says, "the socialist" isn't really a good term.

Personally I have no idea. I haven't had the inclination to look at crime and justice yet, but initial comments are below.

On a personal note I believe that prison is not a punishment, but a means of safeguarding individual citizens. Therefore if it is ascertained beyond any doubt that a convict is not going to re-offend then they should be released. Rehabilitation is the ultimate goal of any prison.

As for police, well they do a very important job. I like the idea of the community support officers (is that the right term), but it appears that they do not work well. I do support more integration between the community and the police, the citizens should feel closer to the "bobby on the beat" to use that horrible hackneyed phrase, than any law-breaker.

Regarding justice, I believe in an independent judiciary, but other than that I don't know enough to comment.

(Original post by davireland)
I'm asking a Socialist, in Socialist question time, what have you got to lose? (and we've explained why we wont have a thread time and time again.)
Have you? I for one would be obliged if you'd do so again, because I haven't received a coherent response on this issue.

(Original post by davireland)
Ok, can I ask a few specific questions, my first one, do you believe the sentencing for death caused by dangerous driving is adequate?
No idea.
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Ok, can I ask a few specific questions, my first one, do you believe the sentencing for death caused by dangerous driving is adequate?
Yes, I would say so. I don't think people think, "Oh, I'll talk on my phone while I drive, because if I kill someone, I'll only get 10 years." Whose mind works like that?

The idea that extra deterrence makes a difference is absurd. The consequences of being convicted of death by dangerous driving are already life-shattering - both in terms of the sentence and what people have to live with. It's not that the consequences are minimal; it's that the chances of being the person it happens to are minimal. Most people who drive dangerously will never kill someone.

(All of which could take me into wider, philosophical territory: I don't personally draw a distinction between "death by dangerous driving" and "dangerous driving." I don't see why the person who gets lucky and doesn't kill anyone should simply have their license revoked while the person who wasn't so lucky and killed someone gets a lengthy prison sentence. Morally, both offenders are equally at fault.)
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Yes, I would say so. I don't think people think, "Oh, I'll talk on my phone while I drive, because if I kill someone, I'll only get 10 years." Whose mind works like that?
True, but surely the penalty for death by dangerous driving should be the same as killing someone in cold blood?
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True, but surely the penalty for death by dangerous driving should be the same as killing someone in cold blood?
I added a bit to my last post while you were composing your own. Dangerous driving isn't remotely comparable to premeditated murder. One person is guilty of negligence; the other is guilty of the greatest evil known to mankind.
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