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(Original post by adam9317)
And you call this 'continual targeting' When have I ever targeted the greens before?

And I do remember your party 'continually attacking' UKIP and their leaders and members.
I said 'one' of our members. Singular. Not plural. You're targeting Aph, in every other thread you're trying to get a rise out of him and then twist something he says against him.

If you say so, buddy.
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(Original post by Rakas21)

I would like western Europe and the Anglosphere to one day unify and possibly include developed Asia but your looking at well over a century before global union will be plausable.
Rakas, would you be interested in joining the Communist party with Aph?
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(Original post by adam9317)
Rakas, would you be interested in joining the Communist party with Aph?
Communism sickens me, there's nothing that says you can't have a large union that would be considered of the right.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
Nope, its self interest.

Firstly, why would allowing 6 billion poor people access to our services be a good thing. Even if just 1% of the global population come, it would be disastrous.

Secondly, why is it in western interests to harmonize law with vastly inferior nations.

I would like western Europe and the Anglosphere to one day unify and possibly include developed Asia but your looking at well over a century before global union will be plausable.

Thirdly, its far more likely that a global government would be in bed with big business than relishing notions of communism.
Well the nhs/similar system would be abolished or spread accords the globe.
which nations are inferior by the way?
Yes I belive it won't be immediately but I would like to see contenental governments in my life time which evolve into global governments.
that depends on who's in charge.
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(Original post by Rakas21)

I would like western Europe and the Anglosphere to one day unify and possibly include developed Asia but your looking at well over a century before global union will be plausable.
Northern Europe without Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania with the Anglosphere would be a better option.
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Why is "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" a good thing?
Why is taking from the rich to give the poor a good thing?
Why is it greedy to keep the money you earn, but not greedy to take what other people earn?
Is a worker not entitled to what they earn? Then why tax the high earners up to half of their wage so that the lower earners can have more? It seems a twisted idea to me that someone who makes more money is punished for simply making more money.
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Would you say that your party is communist in everything but its official name?
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Why is "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" a good thing?
Why is taking from the rich to give the poor a good thing?
Why is it greedy to keep the money you earn, but not greedy to take what other people earn?
Is a worker not entitled to what they earn? Then why tax the high earners up to half of their wage so that the lower earners can have more? It seems a twisted idea to me that someone who makes more money is punished for simply making more money.
Socialism is centered around ensuring that it is the workers themselves who receive the proceeds from and are in full control of their labour.
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Socialism is centered around ensuring that it is the workers themselves who receive the proceeds from and are in full control of their labour.
That might be the barebones economic definition of socialism, sure. It doesn't answer any of the above.
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(Original post by DaveSmith99)
Socialism is centered around ensuring that it is the workers themselves who receive the proceeds from and are in full control of their labour.
Would you be more specific and state the type of socialism you support? Socialism itself is divided down into lots of, sometimes contradictory, groups.
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(Original post by Jemner01)
That might be the barebones economic definition of socialism, sure. It doesn't answer any of the above.
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Why is "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" a good thing?
This is more a Marxist principle than a socialist one, what it means is that when we live in a post-capitalist world and there is an abundance of goods produced, these goods should be distributed based on need and not natural ability. It's about ensuring that everyone shares in the benefits of society and not a select few who are able to play the game better than everyone else.


Why is taking from the rich to give the poor a good thing?
To balance out the fundamental inequalities in our economic system. As much as the right like to claim we have an economic system based around labour and how well you do depends on how well you apply yourself, we don't. Labour is not the big earner in the economy, capital is. People don't make large amounts of money with their labour, they make it through investing their capital. The poor never get the opportunity to take advantage of this and are locked into a life of wage labour.

Why is it greedy to keep the money you earn, but not greedy to take what other people earn?
Because the people who earn a lot don't work any harder for their money than the people who earn little, it's very often the other way around in fact. Wealth redistribution is about attempting to balance out the inequalities and exploitative nature of a capitalist economy.

Is a worker not entitled to what they earn? Then why tax the high earners up to half of their wage so that the lower earners can have more? It seems a twisted idea to me that someone who makes more money is punished for simply making more money.
Is a worker not entitled to what they earn? If I work in a factory and I produce goods to the value of £20 an hour, why does my boss get to come over and take half of that? Why is it okay for a capitalist to take half someones salary purely to satisfy his own personal desires, but it's not okay for the state to take half of someones salary in exchange for providing that person with protection and healthcare and education and the transport network and so on and so forth.?
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Hmmm I crack a joke and the Kipper trolls come out to play. Sorry Aph.

(Original post by Rakas21)
Do any socialists believe in the abolition of private property rights and the traditional command economy model or are you all co-operative types.
As usual, speaking for myself here and not the party. I absolutely believe in the abolition of private property rights, but I'm very much a co-operative type. Command economies are inefficient in most areas, and to me state control of factories is just as exploitative as private corporate control. Let co-ops take control and reap the rewards.

(Original post by Wellzi)
What is the Socialist Party's view on nationalism?
Again speaking for myself, (although I think virtually everyone else in the party shares a similar view), I hate it. Nationalism is a disgusting thing. I also dislike any notion of patriotism. Nation states are largely abstract concepts and pretty irrelevant. I declare no allegiance to any country, I consider myself British merely because I have a passport, not out of any love or affiliation for "my" country. I was born in one place, someone from China was born somewhere else, but why should that make us any different/superior. People often conflate culture and nationality when really they should be treated as mutually exclusive things. There is a correlation between cultures and the borders of nation states but it doesn't mean they must both exist together. The world would be a much better place if patriotism were to vanish as a concept, in turn destroying nationalism.

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Would you say that your party is communist in everything but its official name?
Nope. Words such as Communist, Socialist, Liberal, Conservative are such abstract things that they're pretty useless. Within each branch there are so many different meanings/interpretations of ideas that I've always thought it was pretty pointless to blindly identify yourself with one. It's how those internet flame wars that we've all seen a million times start - "Communism is bad", "but it's never been tried", "Soviet Union, Cuba", "they're not communist" etc etc. Abstract words to define yourself are pretty silly.

You know, "I'm a Conservative" - what does that even mean? Virtually nothing in reality.
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Hmmm I crack a joke and the Kipper trolls come out to play. Sorry Aph.



As usual, speaking for myself here and not the party. I absolutely believe in the abolition of private property rights, but I'm very much a co-operative type. Command economies are inefficient in most areas, and to me state control of factories is just as exploitative as private corporate control. Let co-ops take control and reap the rewards.



Again speaking for myself, (although I think virtually everyone else in the party shares a similar view), I hate it. Nationalism is a disgusting thing. I also dislike any notion of patriotism. Nation states are largely abstract concepts and pretty irrelevant. I declare no allegiance to any country, I consider myself British merely because I have a passport, not out of any love or affiliation for "my" country. I was born in one place, someone from China was born somewhere else, but why should that make us any different/superior. People often conflate culture and nationality when really they should be treated as mutually exclusive things. There is a correlation between cultures and the borders of nation states but it doesn't mean they must both exist together. The world would be a much better place if patriotism were to vanish as a concept, in turn destroying nationalism.



Nope. Words such as Communist, Socialist, Liberal, Conservative are such abstract things that they're pretty useless. Within each branch there are so many different meanings/interpretations of ideas that I've always thought it was pretty pointless to blindly identify yourself with one. It's how those internet flame wars that we've all seen a million times start - "Communism is bad", "but it's never been tried", "Soviet Union, Cuba", "they're not communist" etc etc. Abstract words to define yourself are pretty silly.

You know, "I'm a Conservative" - what does that even mean? Virtually nothing in reality.
It's ok they have it out for me anyway and like to attack my every move.
i completely agree with everything you said though.
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It's ok they have it out for me anyway and like to attack my every move.
i completely agree with everything you said though.
If you think we have it out for you then you are mistaken.

You're one of the most active members so of course we are going to focus on your bills and motions.

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Hmmm I crack a joke and the Kipper trolls come out to play. Sorry Aph.



As usual, speaking for myself here and not the party. I absolutely believe in the abolition of private property rights, but I'm very much a co-operative type. Command economies are inefficient in most areas, and to me state control of factories is just as exploitative as private corporate control. Let co-ops take control and reap the rewards.



Again speaking for myself, (although I think virtually everyone else in the party shares a similar view), I hate it. Nationalism is a disgusting thing. I also dislike any notion of patriotism. Nation states are largely abstract concepts and pretty irrelevant. I declare no allegiance to any country, I consider myself British merely because I have a passport, not out of any love or affiliation for "my" country. I was born in one place, someone from China was born somewhere else, but why should that make us any different/superior. People often conflate culture and nationality when really they should be treated as mutually exclusive things. There is a correlation between cultures and the borders of nation states but it doesn't mean they must both exist together. The world would be a much better place if patriotism were to vanish as a concept, in turn destroying nationalism.



Nope. Words such as Communist, Socialist, Liberal, Conservative are such abstract things that they're pretty useless. Within each branch there are so many different meanings/interpretations of ideas that I've always thought it was pretty pointless to blindly identify yourself with one. It's how those internet flame wars that we've all seen a million times start - "Communism is bad", "but it's never been tried", "Soviet Union, Cuba", "they're not communist" etc etc. Abstract words to define yourself are pretty silly.

You know, "I'm a Conservative" - what does that even mean? Virtually nothing in reality.
Whenever we point out anyone's flaws we are called trolls.

Interesting.

Would you consider yourself to be in one of the communist branches?

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If you think we have it out for you then you are mistaken.

Your one of the most active members so of course we are going to focus on your bills and motions.

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Well I remember being attacked so often for my 'exteamism' that it feels like I'm targeted although I do agree I am one of the most acive greens.
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Well I remember being attacked so often for my 'exteamism' that it feels like I'm targeted although I do agree I am one of the most acive greens.
You are attacked because you come out with absurd statements which often don't make sense and when you are questioned you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
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Well I remember being attacked so often for my 'exteamism' that it feels like I'm targeted although I do agree I am one of the most acive greens.
I'd argue that you are the most active green and it's fantastic to see active members like you who take the time to submit legislation - which is more to be said than some entire parties on here.

You are preaching to the choir for being attacked for proposing so called 'extreme views'.

UKIP faces much more backlash in everything we do in comparison to you.

Even fellow members on the 'left' side of the house agree that your views are extreme in some things.

We have to pick flaws in your stuff or else everything would just get Ayes :P
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You are attacked because you come out with absurd statements which often don't make sense and when you are questioned you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Such as? I'm talking more about Ferdinand which is the one that sticks out in my mind.
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Such as? I'm talking more about Ferdinand which is the one that sticks out in my mind.
Can you link me to his comment please, we won't tolerate it if it was out of line.

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