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You should read it it is brilliant.
I definitely will Are you interested in joining the TSR Socialist Party?
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I definitely will Are you interested in joining the TSR Socialist Party?
ok. I will as long as you understand that when the whole world is communist there will be no law or government. Not in my ideal anyway but until then socialist party it is.
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ok. I will as long as you understand that when the whole world is communist there will be no law or government. Not in my ideal anyway but until then socialist party it is.
Of course! "Under socialism all will govern in turn and will soon become accustomed to no one governing."

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What's your policy on war?
Personally I'd see myself as an interventionist, in that I support military action whenever a net global gain can be expected to be realised through that. In practice I reserve judgment on nearly all actual interventions, since I do not believe it reasonable to come to a conclusion when there is almost certainly intelligence surrounding the efficacy of the proposed action to which the public are not privy. I don't believe it's possible to judge on an ex-post basis either, or at least until relevant government documents are made public, since I believe that the fact that something, whether positive or negative, has happened does not necessarily cast light on the probability distribution one could have inferred from access to all the information.

I know that this isn't much help to you, the other members of the party have a less "philosophical ********" stance than I.
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Personally I'd see myself as an interventionist, in that I support military action whenever a net global gain can be expected to be realised through that. In practice I reserve judgment on nearly all actual interventions, since I do not believe it reasonable to come to a conclusion when there is almost certainly intelligence surrounding the efficacy of the proposed action to which the public are not privy. I don't believe it's possible to judge on an ex-post basis either, or at least until relevant government documents are made public, since I believe that the fact that something, whether positive or negative, has happened does not necessarily cast light on the probability distribution one could have inferred from access to all the information.

I know that this isn't much help to you, the other members of the party have a less "philosophical ********" stance than I.

I agree wholeheartedly with Karl Marx I'm just a pacifist that's all so I would like not to get involved with war and all that. So come the revolution I would well I dunno what I'd do tbh.
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I agree wholeheartedly with Karl Marx I'm just a pacifist that's all so I would like not to get involved with war and all that. So come the revolution I would well I dunno what I'd do tbh.
Make some nice cupcakes and provide moral support IMO.
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Make some nice cupcakes and provide moral support IMO.
LoL yes very funny I'll stay at home and do the knitting.
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Congratulations from me as well.
Thank you my friend 👍👍👍
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TheDefiniteArticle thanks
This is my first proper day at MHoC. What acts did the socialists pass last term?
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TheDefiniteArticle thanks
This is my first proper day at MHoC. What acts did the socialists pass last term?
This term we've had passed:

Corporate Insolvency (Employee Priority) Act: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3744375
Employment Tribunal Fee Abolition Act: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3789431
Professional Gambling Taxation Act: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3929863
Access to Internships Act: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3960841

We've submitted the following but they haven't passed:

Private Healthcare (Regulation) Bill: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3744397
United Ireland Bill: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...833&p=62058453
Property Definition Bill: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3997701
Right to Buy and Right to Acquire Abolition Bill: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=4003083

This is with two MPs for the vast majority of the term. Members of the socialists have also submitted a number of amendments.
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This term we've had passed:

Corporate Insolvency (Employee Priority) Act: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3744375
Employment Tribunal Fee Abolition Act: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3789431
Professional Gambling Taxation Act: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3929863
Access to Internships Act: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3960841

We've submitted the following but they haven't passed:

Private Healthcare (Regulation) Bill: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3744397
United Ireland Bill: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...833&p=62058453
Property Definition Bill: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3997701
Right to Buy and Right to Acquire Abolition Bill: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=4003083

This is with two MPs for the vast majority of the term. Members of the socialists have also submitted a number of amendments.
Wow, thanks for adding the links to all of those. The voting was not great on a lot but you did really well considering how many members it involved. Do you have any idea as to how some of the proposed bills will be drafted?

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Why do you think that giving people money for being disadvantaged is a good idea as opposed to giving government aid to poor people when they attempt to run businesses or be self employed?
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Why do you think that giving people money for being disadvantaged is a good idea as opposed to giving government aid to poor people when they attempt to run businesses or be self employed?
Do you mean charity or benefits in the first?

I don't believe these things are an 'either or' situation. Both could be implemented as government policies; if you only have government grants to those who try to become self-employed, not only will it exclude the vast majority of the disadvantaged who simply want jobs, it will also have a high risk of failure.
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Do you mean charity or benefits in the first?

I don't believe these things are an 'either or' situation. Both could be implemented as government policies; if you only have government grants to those who try to become self-employed, not only will it exclude the vast majority of the disadvantaged who simply want jobs, it will also have a high risk of failure.
A reasonable suggestion. However, does it bother you that some people take advantage of the welfare state in order to live without working? Do you think that there will ever be a successful remedy for this? Do you even feel it is a problem at all?

As somebody who doesn't agree with how extensive the welfare state, I want to understand what the opposing side of the debate's rationales are.
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Wow, thanks for adding the links to all of those. The voting was not great on a lot but you did really well considering how many members it involved. Do you have any idea as to how some of the proposed bills will be drafted?

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For us, we usually set up a party thread and go through it together, researching the different laws that might need to be amended or repealed. We'd then run it past the members, and as long as there are no objections it'd be submitted as a party bill.
That answer your question?
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For us, we usually set up a party thread and go through it together, researching the different laws that might need to be amended or repealed. We'd then run it past the members, and as long as there are no objections it'd be submitted as a party bill.
That answer your question?
That seems very reasonable and a great idea. Yes, that does thank you.

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A reasonable suggestion. However, does it bother you that some people take advantage of the welfare state in order to live without working? Do you think that there will ever be a successful remedy for this? Do you even feel it is a problem at all?

As somebody who doesn't agree with how extensive the welfare state, I want to understand what the opposing side of the debate's rationales are.
Just to be clear, the TSR Socialist Party has a wide range of members so we all have massively different views, which we embrace; which is why it's important not to take just one member's opinion as SP gospel

On the issue of welfare cheats, they are very very few and hardly gain anything when the JSA is only £50 per week, I believe. Only 0.7% of all benefits were claimed fraudulently, around £3 bn.
Our/my focus is on tax evasion and avoidance. The tax "gap" is around £120 bn for tax evaders and avoiders.
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Just to be clear, the TSR Socialist Party has a wide range of members so we all have massively different views, which we embrace; which is why it's important not to take just one member's opinion as SP gospel

On the issue of welfare cheats, they are very very few and hardly gain anything when the JSA is only £50 per week, I believe. Only 0.7% of all benefits were claimed fraudulently, around £3 bn.
Our/my focus is on tax evasion and avoidance. The tax "gap" is around £120 bn for tax evaders and avoiders.
I was aware that the tax evasion size was massive, but not that big. Is most of that corporate taxes? If it is, then we will never see that money. 3 billion in benefits scroungers is probably a lot easier to deal with.
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I was aware that the tax evasion size was massive, but not that big. Is most of that corporate taxes? If it is, then we will never see that money. 3 billion in benefits scroungers is probably a lot easier to deal with.
That's evasion and avoidance, the big question is the ratio; I imagine that the majority is avoidance.

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That's evasion and avoidance, the big question is the ratio; I imagine that the majority is avoidance.

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Yes, but is it mostly corporate or is it just private citizens that aren't plutocrats?
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