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    (Original post by Metrobeans)
    I strongly disagreed with the message inside his posts, though wasn't offended to the point where they should be removed. To be honest, I'd have far preferred to have debated his points, proved what an imbecile he is and then moved on.
    I agree, but Pavlik was implying that it was the Socialists specifically who objected. I was pointing out that if he wants allies then they are fairly thin on the ground.
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    (Original post by Alasdair)
    I'll accept that there are probably some misguided individuals in the White Nationalist movement, but that's part of the territory when you base your entire philosophy on the fallacious notion of 'race' anyway...
    Race is not a fallacious notion. It is a scientifically valid notion, despite what the establishment line on this is. You see, I've already posted on the reality of race in this thread, and it got removed...
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    So your argument is that there are genetic differences between some of the peoples of the world. right, so what?
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    (Original post by ukebert)
    So your argument is that there are genetic differences between some of the peoples of the world. right, so what?
    Frank Salter, in his book 'On Genetic Interests' has shown that race represents a genetic interest in the same way that a family does. That is to say, when white people are replaced by racially distant people, this is the genetic equivalent of a given white person losing children.

    Salter expands on Hamiltonian kin theory, which basically tells us that organisms not only have an interest in reproducing themselves, but also in the reproduction of biologically related individuals, who might also pass on the distinctive genes of an individual.

    Link to an explanation of genetic interests:
    http://majorityrights.com/images/uploads/EGI.pdf

    Now, Salter demonstrates through his child-equivalents that the reproductive value of race, due to the sheer size of a race and the dynamics of mass immigration, is millions of times greater than that within a family.

    There is no compulsion to value genetic interests. However, I no more feel the need to justify the preferential treatment I extend to my race than I feel the need to justify, according to some objective standard, the preferential treatment I would extend to my children or my brother. The natural instinct towards ethnic nepotism is equally real as the natural instinct towards familial nepotism, and it is a suicidal ideology, enforced by indoctrination, that acts to subduct this.

    I have posted on this more thoroughly in the thread here:
    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...=699102&page=3
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    (Original post by Athena)

    Black Africans are more genetically distinct from one another they are from Europeans, Americans, and Asians - so, if we're into gene survival theories here, a black person should want to act altruistically towards anyone else but a fellow black African, because they share more genes in common with Eurasians than they do with their fellow Africans.
    That's nonsense. A black person is more similar to Eurasians than other Africans? Ridiculous!

    Here is a paper called 'Genetic Similarities Within and Between Human Populations' by Witherspoon et al 2007.

    http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1893020

    You may prefer to read this explanation instead, which is a bit less technical.

    http://majorityrights.com/index.php/...nt_race_study/

    Being as the authors do not have the academic freedom of Frank Salter, Pierre van den Berghe etc. they do not make the ultimate conclusions of their data particularly transparent. However, the data shows that when the most distinct races (i.e. sub-saharan africans, east asians and caucasians) are compared over many thousands of loci, individuals from a given race are always more similar to a person of the same race than they are to an individual from a different race. The data also shows that there is a small genetic overlap when admixed and more closely related racial groups such as African Americans, New Guineans, Native Americans and Latino groups are considered; they give a figure of 3.1%, although this figure might be lower when the whole genome is studied.
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    Why are we all accepting that one should want to favour people of your own 'race' (if such a thing really existed in reality)? I don't accept the premise he's working on.

    Sure, he'll come back and say 'well, it stands to reason, 'cause I love my family and like white people, innit', but I really don't see why it's hard-wired...
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    (Original post by Alasdair)
    Why are we all accepting that one should want to favour people of your own 'race' (if such a thing really existed in reality)? I don't accept the premise he's working on.

    Sure, he'll come back and say 'well, it stands to reason, 'cause I love my family and like white people, innit', but I really don't see why it's hard-wired...
    There is nothing more that I can say to you, Alasdair. I have made my position clear in this thread and in the BNP thread. You can carry on drinking the Kool Aid or stop, it's up to you. Individuals have to make their own minds up.
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    (Original post by Pavlik)
    There is nothing more that I can say to you, Alasdair. I have made my position clear in this thread and in the BNP thread. You can carry on drinking the Kool Aid or stop, it's up to you. Individuals have to make their own minds up.
    I think that we in the Socialist Party (and I have to say that I would hope in the House overall) have made our minds up, and we disagree with you.
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    (Original post by Alasdair)
    Sure, he'll come back and say 'well, it stands to reason, 'cause I love my family and like white people, innit', but I really don't see why it's hard-wired...
    Well, he doesn't like us cos we've got a sick and suicidal philosophy. But we're white too ... so we must, simply must be in cahoots with the anti-whites who want to take over the world - starting with Britain - and end the white hegemony over us all.

    Yeah. Cos that's like, soo cool maannn. Far out!
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    (Original post by oriel historian)
    Well, he doesn't like us cos we've got a sick and suicidal philosophy. But we're white too ... so we must, simply must be in cahoots with the anti-whites who want to take over the world - starting with Britain - and end the white hegemony over us all.

    Yeah. Cos that's like, soo cool maannn. Far out!
    Race traitors, man...
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    (Original post by Alasdair)
    Race traitors, man...
    Duuuuuuuude!
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    (Original post by Alasdair)
    Race traitors, man...
    Praise the lawd!
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    (Original post by Pavlik)
    There is nothing more that I can say to you, Alasdair. I have made my position clear in this thread and in the BNP thread. You can carry on drinking the Kool Aid or stop, it's up to you. Individuals have to make their own minds up.
    Individuals do have to make their own minds up, and they have. Please go away, in the nicest way possible when adressing a racist bigot.
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    So, the Socialists have accepted a guy who less than two months ago said:

    (Original post by BruceTaylor)
    Yes! It is now official. I am the most economically right wing person in the HoC And Fourth most socially Libertarian after Dan, Tony and Vesta :proud:
    What. The. ****?
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    We're watching him closely. He's agreed to be kicked out should we feel the need but we're giving him the benefit of the doubt for the time being. I'm sure Bruce will be more than willing to come here and explain his change in ideology himself, but he's explained himself to the Tories in their sub-forum and he's been mulling it over for a while now. Since he went to university he felt himself going more left wing. I'll admit that it's a massive jump to the left, but maybe he wanted to join a party which is going to get stuff done.
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    (Original post by Metrobeans)
    So, the Socialists have accepted a guy who less than two months ago said:



    What. The. ****?
    People change, mate. I wasn't trying to cause any commotion in doing this, but it was something I felt was for the best for everyone...
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    (Original post by BruceTaylor)
    People change, mate. I wasn't trying to cause any commotion in doing this, but it was something I felt was for the best for everyone...
    Well, I am impressed you've made such a huge (and welcoming) leap. Usually people become more conservative with age. Out of interest, what triggered the change in your political views?
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    (Original post by Metrobeans)
    Well, I am impressed you've made such a huge (and welcoming) leap. Usually people become more conservative with age. Out of interest, what triggered the change in your political views?
    I know this might be a bit of a copout, but I can't really give one specific defining moment in which I knew I had changed.

    Indeed, I'm grateful for this fact, the transition has been pretty emotional for me, myself having had right wing beliefs for a number of years now, that all changing was quite a blow, and indeed it still feels rather odd.
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    (Original post by Jangrafess)
    but maybe he wanted to join a party which is going to get stuff done.
    lol, we do as much as you do so lets not play the activity card.

    We as a party are still reeling in shock after Bruces resignation last night.

    As this is the Ask a Socialist thread, I would like to ask how Bruce is being recieved in your sub-forum what with certain members (one in particular) describing him as a moron on several occasions and previously being generally rude to him?
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    When we abuse Tories, we generally abuse the ideology, not the person. Except for UoL.
 
 
 
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