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    (Original post by Käse)
    I'm not saying that the most efficient public services are always the best, but which TSR party do you think would provide the most efficient service?
    Do you mean efficient in terms of cost? Efficient in terms of patient turnaround? Or efficient in terms of providing the best healthcare to patients regardless of how much it actually costs to provide it?

    We're not talking about running EasyJet here.

    In RL: the Labour Party, without a shadow of a doubt.
    On here: No One. I would have said the Socialists but in their current guise, no way.
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    (Original post by Käse)
    Who do you think would run public services most efficiently? (note that I am not asking who would run them the best, mealy the most efficiently)
    Well, if you define efficiency as getting what you want with the minimum expenditure of resources (which is not an unfair definition IMO) then any party could run servies efficiently, although I'd argue the Tories are actually the least efficient generally because they don't provide people with what they need; a welfare system which costs little to run but can't actually house/clothe/feed people is hardly what you'd call an efficient one.

    That said, all bureaucracy is inherently inefficient and reactionary, so the real answer is "no one".
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    Do you mean efficient in terms of cost? Efficient in terms of patient turnaround? Or efficient in terms of providing the best healthcare to patients regardless of how much it actually costs to provide it?

    We're not talking about running EasyJet here.

    In RL: the Labour Party, without a shadow of a doubt.
    On here: No One. I would have said the Socialists but in their current guise, no way.
    I meant best price for each person dealt with. In healthcare then I would mean best price per patient treated. But It extends to the whole public sector, not just healthcare.

    In RL I'm surprised anyone can tell the difference in the parties now. Both are right wing, and Labour have deserved the working classes and those they are meant to help. I would expect it of the tories, but I am disappointed in Labour.

    I would certainly say that the right would be the most efficient. But people would suffer due to their commitment to efficiency.
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    (Original post by Käse)
    I meant best price for each person dealt with. In healthcare then I would mean best price per patient treated. But It extends to the whole public sector, not just healthcare.
    Best price???? What price living?

    In RL I'm surprised anyone can tell the difference in the parties now. Both are right wing, and Labour have deserved the working classes and those they are meant to help. I would expect it of the tories, but I am disappointed in Labour.
    In terms of healthcare and the NHS, Labour have ploughed in more money than ever before to counteract the shocking failures of nearly twenty years of Tory government to invest in the NHS. Why have we only started getting proper results recently? Because it takes time to train doctors, it takes time to build new hospitals, it takes time to renegotiate drugs contracts, etc etc. On many things have Labour failed in recent years, on healthcare they have absolutely not. And believe you me, as a Labour member, you bloomin well can tell the difference.

    I would certainly say that the right would be the most efficient. But people would suffer due to their commitment to efficiency.
    With all due respect, you're not asking your own opinion in this thread and from the way the question was framed and your derogatory reference to us as "lefties", I think we all knew how loved up you are with Cameron anyway.
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    Best price???? What price living?
    best cost. As I said, I would say the right would be more efficient in terms of expenditure, surely? The left would spend more, but would have a much better service.

    In terms of healthcare and the NHS, Labour have ploughed in more money than ever before to counteract the shocking failures of nearly twenty years of Tory government to invest in the NHS. Why have we only started getting proper results recently? Because it takes time to train doctors, it takes time to build new hospitals, it takes time to renegotiate drugs contracts, etc etc. On many things have Labour failed in recent years, on healthcare they have absolutely not. And believe you me, as a Labour member, you bloomin well can tell the difference.
    I may just be to young to notice the difference. Oh healthcare I would agree in a general way. On many other matters I would disagree. More and more I have seen them turn to the right of politics, and that is not where they belong.

    With all due respect, you're not asking your own opinion in this thread and from the way the question was framed and your derogatory reference to us as "lefties", I think we all knew how loved up you are with Cameron anyway.
    no, I am asking for your opinion, but theres no problem with arguing from my side is there?

    as to my comment of 'lefties' do you want me to go way 'righties' in the tory thread? You need to calm down. I didn't mean it in any derogatory way. Indeed I would class myself as a lefty
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    (Original post by Käse)
    best cost. As I said, I would say the right would be more efficient in terms of expenditure, surely? The left would spend more, but would have a much better service.
    That's an entirely flawed dichotomy: if the best service is one that costs more but saves more lives and ensures better standards of living then that is the most efficient system. Cutting costs does not mean, in any way, shape, or form, a more efficient system. In fact, it makes for a much more dangerous, more unequal, and completely unfair system.
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    That's an entirely flawed dichotomy: if the best service is one that costs more but saves more lives and ensures better standards of living then that is the most efficient system. Cutting costs does not mean, in any way, shape, or form, a more efficient system. In fact, it makes for a much more dangerous, more unequal, and completely unfair system.
    An efficient service doesn't have to be cheap. A service (of any kind) costing 10,000 and serving 500 people isn't as efficient as a service costing 100,000 and serving 7,500 people. Which service would be better is debatable, but its fairly easy to see that the tories would be more efficient.
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    (Original post by Käse)
    but its fairly easy to see that the tories would be more efficient.
    Why?
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    Why?
    Because they'd probably introduce more competition into the NHS and lower numbers of Consultants and Administrators that don't have a defined purpose.
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    (Original post by Joluk)
    Because they'd probably introduce more competition into the NHS and lower numbers of Consultants and Administrators that don't have a defined purpose.
    Competition is not a good thing in this instance? What do you want, two hospitals in the same town competing with each other for trade? What about those areas that don't have more than one hospital, where's competition there?

    Thatcher introduced the internal market into the NHS and now people complain of Postcode lotteries. That's what you get with that.
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    (Original post by Käse)
    Who do you think would run public services most efficiently? (note that I am not asking who would run them the best, mealy the most efficiently)
    While you haven't asked us, on TSR, I'd say the Centre Party, because we believe public services are about getting the most bang for your buck and would want to analyse each public service individually on that basis. We don't believe privatisation or nationalisation is always the answer, though we do believe the amount of 'bang' must include universal coverage for healthcare, education, electricity and water.
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    What is the Socialist view of the newly formed PCP?
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    (Original post by Afcwimbledon2)
    What is the Socialist view of the newly formed PCP?
    I don't think I can answer that. The TSR swear filter might break.
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    (Original post by Alasdair)
    I don't think I can answer that. The TSR swear filter might break.
    MSN me if you want.
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    I think we can all look forward to the Tories and Libers ending up trying to get into a coalition with the PCP after the next election :shifty:
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    (Original post by Gremlins)
    I think we can all look forward to the Tories and Libers ending up trying to get into a coalition with the PCP after the next election :shifty:
    That will be hilarious :p:
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    (Original post by Gremlins)
    I think we can all look forward to the Tories and Libers ending up trying to get into a coalition with the PCP after the next election :shifty:
    **** off. If that happens I'd quit the party straight away. The PCP can suck my liberal, anti-war, pro-choice, anti-government, anti-nationalist, anti-religion atheist chode.
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    (Original post by Jay Riall)
    **** off. If that happens I'd quit the party straight away. The PCP can suck my liberal, anti-war, pro-choice, anti-government, anti-nationalist, anti-religion atheist chode.
    Hawt. OK, fine, just the Tories then :p:
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    (Original post by Jay Riall)
    **** off. If that happens I'd quit the party straight away. The PCP can suck my liberal, anti-war, pro-choice, anti-government, anti-nationalist, anti-religion atheist chode.
    Wow, I didn't think it was that strong.
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    (Original post by Gremlins)
    I think we can all look forward to the Tories and Libers ending up trying to get into a coalition with the PCP after the next election :shifty:
    :woo:

    That most certainly won’t happen.
 
 
 
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