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OK , basically I see there is no difference in salaries later on for jobs between Imperial and cambridge i know this has nothing to do with the subject but I was wondering what a computer scientist has to do with an analyst as I see many people graduating from computing courses become analysts.
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Imperial anything > ETH.
Really?
From reading the course descriptions (maths and physics), I find the ones at ETH a bit more challenging.
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Really?
From reading the course descriptions (maths and physics), I find the ones at ETH a bit more challenging.
well according to this (http://www.excellenceranking.org/eus...=show_l1&esb=4) very unbiased source (towards UK unis anyway) imperial is the best european uni for physics. above cambridge and ETH (way above ox). but ETH is =camb and > oxford.
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Never judge the difficulty of a course from "course descriptions"!
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well according to this (http://www.excellenceranking.org/eus...=show_l1&esb=4) very unbiased source (towards UK unis anyway) imperial is the best european uni for physics. above cambridge and ETH (way above ox). but ETH is =camb and > oxford.
This ranking is about research. Undergraduate teaching will be more important for me in the next few years (but teaching quality is very difficult to measure and compare).

I just don't want to make a wrong decision and then regret it afterwards. But since both belong to the best, I cannot make a wrong decision...
The thing is that I actually wanted to go to Cambridge and I put Imperial only on UCAS because I had space left. Now I'm wondering if Imperial is "just" a university for Oxbridge rejectees...

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I don't know if I want to start working right after college (in this case, Imperial would be better than ETH) or do an PhD (in this case I tend to think that ETH is more suitable)
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I dont understand this ****ing concept of "oxbridge reject university". Would you rather be at ****ing Plymouth so you're not branded an "oxbridge reject"?
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This ranking is about research. Undergraduate teaching will be more important for me in the next few years (but teaching quality is very difficult to measure and compare).

I just don't want to make a wrong decision and then regret it afterwards. But since both belong to the best, I cannot make a wrong decision...
The thing is that I actually wanted to go to Cambridge and I put Imperial only on UCAS because I had space left. Now I'm wondering if Imperial is "just" a university for Oxbridge rejectees...

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I don't know if I want to start working right after college (in this case, Imperial would be better than ETH) or do an PhD (in this case I tend to think that ETH is more suitable)
seriously, you put imperial down just coz you had space lol. so you didnt really have a clue how good it was? and yet you seem to actually respect your own opinion lol. seriously dude you are talking nonsense. 100% infact. so few people apply to oxbridge, less than a fifth of the number that apply to imperial. it is statistically IMPOSSIBLE that a significant proportion (say greater than 10-15%) of imperial undergrads are oxbridge rejects. im so fed up of linking people on this site to all my research, its sad that im the only one who seems to want actual data to determine my choice of university as opposed to the uneducated opinions of people with no experience of the universities in question or the industry or the research or virtually everything else. if you dont care about the research being done then you dont care about the uni rep. if thats the case then why are you considering cam, imperial, ETH? better to study at a non research intensive uni where the focus is totally on teaching. seriously its sad when we compare a unis reputation among those who havnt a clue, as if it matters! oxford university press is responsible for 60% of oxfords fame amongst the general public. (oxford an cambridge dictionaries mainly but then all the other books they publish as well). the other 40% is likely the boat races and then cambridge will be known fr hawking, and then many probably only knw of hawking coz of his chair, not the brief history of time and certainly not his work with penrose. as wais said above you cant compare courses like that, also if you think cambridges nat sci course covers as much as the more specialised imperial courses think again. here are the imperial syllabuses, study them well. compare against nat sci in cambridge (im assuming thats your course). http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/courses/u...uatesyllabuses.

here are the links to various natcsi module syllabuses http://www.cam.ac.uk/cambuniv/natscitripos/links.html
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At last someone with sense. Ditto on the oxford uni press and cambridge uni press, boating and hawking.
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Hey, calm down! Not everyone is as stupid as you want them to be (and it's quite easy to believe this when someone prefers writing short questions)
I know Imperial because a friend of mine studies there and she told me that its great there (both, people and the course; her course is in fact better at Imperial than at Cambridge, Chemical Engineering)! And since I had 5 slots at UCAS, why not putting it down?
I do hope that you don't expect all Oxbridge/Imperial applicants to apply because they are famous.
Do you really think that I didn't take a look at the syllables and descriptions of all courses? (this is how I got the impression that the courses at ETH are more demanding; i.e. first year of Physics at ETH is identical to Mathematics, did you know that? You have rigorous mathematical subject and a lots of physics at ETH. At Imperial you have, comparatively, little mathematics, but lots of physics too.)
Or talked to students, alumni, researchers or lecturers at different universities and research institutions?
And since I'm talking about undergraduate studies at ETH, you might assume that I'm not British because in the first two years most courses at ETH are held in German, which means that I did not apply to British universities for fun.
For the record, I am a Oxbridge rejectee! Since I'm not British, it may not be worth to attend university in the UK if I have other options which are just as good or may be slightly better.
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(Original post by beta3)
This ranking is about research. Undergraduate teaching will be more important for me in the next few years (but teaching quality is very difficult to measure and compare).

I just don't want to make a wrong decision and then regret it afterwards. But since both belong to the best, I cannot make a wrong decision...
The thing is that I actually wanted to go to Cambridge and I put Imperial only on UCAS because I had space left. Now I'm wondering if Imperial is "just" a university for Oxbridge rejectees...

p.s.:
I don't know if I want to start working right after college (in this case, Imperial would be better than ETH) or do an PhD (in this case I tend to think that ETH is more suitable)
I hope you fail your exams, I don't want the likes of you at Imperial ignorant ****.
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Hey, calm down! Not everyone is as stupid as you want them to be (and it's quite easy to believe this when someone prefers writing short questions)
I know Imperial because a friend of mine studies there and she told me that its great there (both, people and the course; her course is in fact better at Imperial than at Cambridge, Chemical Engineering)! And since I had 5 slots at UCAS, why not putting it down?
I do hope that you don't expect all Oxbridge/Imperial applicants to apply because they are famous.
Do you really think that I didn't take a look at the syllables and descriptions of all courses? (this is how I got the impression that the courses at ETH are more demanding; i.e. first year of Physics at ETH is identical to Mathematics, did you know that? You have rigorous mathematical subject and a lots of physics at ETH. At Imperial you have, comparatively, little mathematics, but lots of physics too.)
Or talked to students, alumni, researchers or lecturers at different universities and research institutions?
And since I'm talking about undergraduate studies at ETH, you might assume that I'm not British because in the first two years most courses at ETH are held in German, which means that I did not apply to British universities for fun.
For the record, I am a Oxbridge rejectee! Since I'm not British, it may not be worth to attend university in the UK if I have other options which are just as good or may be slightly better.
well you said previously that you only put imperial down because you had space! as an international applicant imperial is far easier to get into than oxbridge. i think...thats assuming the numbers of applicants is comparable (i know imperial has the most chineese, malaysian and singaporean applicants in europe).oxbridge have hardly any international undergrads, 6-9% i think. but imperial have 38% overall and on courses like mine 68% lol. i dont know why oxbridge have so few international students, i expect only the top of the top of the top students would apply to the best unis in ANOTHER country and ANOTHER LANGUAGE lol. so statistically it was always harder for you at oxbridge. i got offers from ox and imperial and though the interview at ox was more interesting and probing i know its just as hard to get imperial (statistically according to ucas its 3-5 even somethime 9 times harder...but we'll ignore that) as i know 3 people who were rejected by imperial and only one with an offer (he didnt apply to oxbridge btw). with imperial over 2/3 of applicants are rejected before interviews ox only 1/10. this is understandable since imperial have far more applicants and thus cant filter as thoroughly by interview. i apologise for any misunderstandings i didnt mean to call you an idiot but i cant see how you could view imperials course as less challenging than any other. i think its the most in depth iv seen, far ahead of MITs even (iv seen all of MITs first year physics lectures and chemistry over half is A level physics, but then their degrees are longer so would it be wise to judge the course by its first year? i.e what youre doing with imperial vs ETH)
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I hope you fail your exams, I don't want the likes of you at Imperial ignorant ****.
hahaha id have to agree. funny that oxbridge have so many people of a similar mindset (according to TSR-not realistic i know but im just poking fun) ;D lucky them!
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with respect to careers from eth, id think carefully if youre considering banking. i havnt looked at anyone else yet but citi doesnt go to ETH but ofcourse goes to imperial (as does every company you could think of!)

http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/tanaka/co...centrecruiters.

http://www.citigroup.com/citigroup/g...lendar_em.htm#
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OK , basically I see there is no difference in salaries later on for jobs between Imperial and cambridge i know this has nothing to do with the subject but I was wondering what a computer scientist has to do with an analyst as I see many people graduating from computing courses become analysts.
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There are 2 BIG differences between the two degrees:

1. Imperial offers a 4 year degree with the courses in year 4 being genuinely at Master's level - some of these are certainly ones that you could take at Cambridge but many are not - eg Computational Finance, Performance Analysis

2. In year 3 at Imperial, it runs an Industrial Placement programme and many people get paid work at the likes of Morgan Stanley, Deutsche, Google - and 90% get job offers for when they leave. This is a bonus since you get paid - and on average at investment banks, you will get 15-19K for 6 months work - which pays off quite a chunk of debt. You also come away with a job offer if it goes well and good experience in any case.

Average leaving salary for Imperial Computing grads was 33,400 in 2006 - don't know what Cambridge Computing commands.

Hope that helps - fundamentally look at the course, the structure and the subjects you want to take given the career you want. If you want to go into banking IT or quantitative analysis from a Computing degree - then my (biased) opinion is that Imperial has the edge. Hope that helps.
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Er, Banking tech that should say. Banking front office, cambridge has the edge. Certainly so for consulting.
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Er, Banking tech that should say. Banking front office, cambridge has the edge. Certainly so for consulting.
Indeed (have edited). Fund manager - go to Oxford - do PPE.
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Why PPE?
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This ranking is about research. Undergraduate teaching will be more important for me in the next few years (but teaching quality is very difficult to measure and compare).

I just don't want to make a wrong decision and then regret it afterwards. But since both belong to the best, I cannot make a wrong decision...
The thing is that I actually wanted to go to Cambridge and I put Imperial only on UCAS because I had space left. Now I'm wondering if Imperial is "just" a university for Oxbridge rejectees...

p.s.:
I don't know if I want to start working right after college (in this case, Imperial would be better than ETH) or do an PhD (in this case I tend to think that ETH is more suitable)
Ok think of it this way

Why did Isaac Newton go to Cambridge- because it was either that or Oxford, nowhere else!

Why did anyone pre 1820 go to oxbridge-because it was either that or a scottish uni, nowhere else!

So basically Oxbridge have lived on a monopoly of university entrance. This is no longer the case now. Never in oxbridge's history have they been so threatened by Imperial because they're not used to it.

Take away the oxbridge tutorial system and how much better are they?
A- Not very

Oxbridge is still trying to live off of its name when if you actually look at the raw data imperial is atleast on par with them.

University league table without student satisfaction (same data times online use):

1 3 Imperial College 14.7 6.4 9.7 2,551 479 95 72.4 86.3 452.6
2 1 Cambridge 16.6 6.6 12.2 1,576 574 98 84.5 88.0 529.7
3 2 Oxford 16.4 6.5 13.0 2,220 370 98 89.4 78.5 522.3
4 4 London School of Economics 15.3 6.4 13.2 1,210 211 96 74.6 83.0 470.7
5 8 Warwick 0.0 6.0 17.1 1,472 233 96 79.3 73.0 453.2
6 9 Bath 14.9 5.7 16.7 804 411 95 76.8 78.9 442.5
7 6 University College London 15.3 6.0 9.4 1,435 179 93 72.5 79.8 428.7
8 7 Bristol 15.3 5.7 14.9 1,199 279 96 81.3 76.0 440.0
9 12 Aston 14.9 5.0 14.6 1,221 395 90 64.3 76.8 345.6
10 14 Nottingham 14.9 5.3 15.6 980 364 96 74.5 70.4 431.1
11 10 Durham 15.5 5.7 20.3 892 331 96 75.4 75.7 451.8

http://www.thegooduniversityguide.or...e.htm?ipg=6524
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Ok think of it this way

Why did Isaac Newton go to Cambridge- because it was either that or Oxford, nowhere else!

Why did anyone pre 1820 go to oxbridge-because it was either that or a scottish uni, nowhere else!

So basically Oxbridge have lived on a monopoly of university entrance. This is no longer the case now. Never in oxbridge's history have they been so threatened by Imperial because they're not used to it.

Take away the oxbridge tutorial system and how much better are they?
A- Not very

Oxbridge is still trying to live off of its name when if you actually look at the raw data imperial is atleast on par with them.

University league table without student satisfaction (same data times online use):

1 3 Imperial College 14.7 6.4 9.7 2,551 479 95 72.4 86.3 452.6
2 1 Cambridge 16.6 6.6 12.2 1,576 574 98 84.5 88.0 529.7
3 2 Oxford 16.4 6.5 13.0 2,220 370 98 89.4 78.5 522.3
4 4 London School of Economics 15.3 6.4 13.2 1,210 211 96 74.6 83.0 470.7
5 8 Warwick 0.0 6.0 17.1 1,472 233 96 79.3 73.0 453.2
6 9 Bath 14.9 5.7 16.7 804 411 95 76.8 78.9 442.5
7 6 University College London 15.3 6.0 9.4 1,435 179 93 72.5 79.8 428.7
8 7 Bristol 15.3 5.7 14.9 1,199 279 96 81.3 76.0 440.0
9 12 Aston 14.9 5.0 14.6 1,221 395 90 64.3 76.8 345.6
10 14 Nottingham 14.9 5.3 15.6 980 364 96 74.5 70.4 431.1
11 10 Durham 15.5 5.7 20.3 892 331 96 75.4 75.7 451.8

http://www.thegooduniversityguide.or...e.htm?ipg=6524
To be honest I find the tutorial system in Imperial a pain in the arse, I'd hate the oxbridge one.
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To be honest I find the tutorial system in Imperial a pain in the arse, I'd hate the oxbridge one.
How is the tutorial system in Imperial?
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