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So I know people get worked up about Israel killing Palestinians. I am a socialist/libertarian so more towards the left but am not a liberal.

Here are my arguments:

Israel gave several oppurtunities for Palestinian territorial expansion, even giving up nearly half of its own land for it

Palestinians celebrated 9/11

Hamas is a terrorist group which is harboured by Palestine.

Palestinians protest violently

Israel have a right to defend their border, just like any other country
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We protest because, in effect, people from Europe went into a country and displaced its people, and now is killing and annexing them. Previously Palestine was a land where people of the religions Judaism, Christianity, and Islam lived in harmony, and as much as the Jews did suffer in the Holocaust, they had no right to destroy that harmony. Israel had no land to give Palestine before it came in and seized it by force. I am sure a small number of terrorists did celebrate 9/11, but not the majority of the Palestinians who, like all nationalities and races of people, are good on the whole. People do protest violently when you kick them out of their homes and they have nowhere left to live. It's called being desperate.

If you think about it, if some people whose ancestors had left England long ago came to England, took your home by force, and then were slowly segregating and killing off the English people, I am sure you would protest violently too.
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(Original post by Ferrous-flame)
We protest because, in effect, people from Europe went into a country and displaced its people, and now is killing and annexing them. Previously Palestine was a land where people of the religions Judaism, Christianity, and Islam lived in harmony, and as much as the Jews did suffer in the Holocaust, they had no right to destroy that harmony. Israel had no land to give Palestine before it came in and seized it by force. I am sure a small number of terrorists did celebrate 9/11, but not the majority of the Palestinians who, like all nationalities and races of people, are good on the whole. People do protest violently when you kick them out of their homes and they have nowhere left to live. It's called being desperate.

If you think about it, if some people whose ancestors had left England long ago came to England, took your home by force, and then were slowly segregating and killing off the English people, I am sure you would protest violently too.
There are videos of massive crowds of people celebrating it in the streets
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Because it's trendy.

I personally don't care that much about it. I don't know why people vehemently take sides over a territorial conflict thousands of miles away which they have absolutely no stake in whatsoever.
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There are videos of massive crowds of people celebrating it in the streets
In the same way that you get British National Party people holding rallies in the streets in Birmingham sometimes, and in effect celebrating racism. A few hundreds do not represent all of the millions of people of their nationality.

Personally I have no reason to care. I'm neither Palestinian or Israeli, I just care because regardless of creed or colour it matters to me that all humans are treated with respect and dignity and that their human rights are upheld. The Israelis will see the Palestinians as subhuman evil people because that's what anyone does when they want to hate someone; they dehumanise them. But everyone is somebody's child, and is worth loving and caring about. If everyone cared and we all did something about humanitarian crises, then they wouldn't happen anymore, so I am glad to care, because it's a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not emotional discussing this, and I am trying not to say anything offensive, I am just trying to help you understand. It's okay not to agree with me. This is simply my own perspective, and you are welcome to any opinion on it
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(Original post by qwertyK)
So I know people get worked up about Israel killing Palestinians. I am a socialist/libertarian so more towards the left but am not a liberal.
Let's break down your series of rather dubious claims
Here are my arguments:

Israel gave several oppurtunities for Palestinian territorial expansion, even giving up nearly half of its own land for it
Israel vetoed the idea of Palestine having its own security forces, military, access to the sea, control of its boarders and so on. Land is fairly useless if you can't do anything with it.
Palestinians celebrated 9/11
Some might have, so what?
Hamas is a terrorist group which is harboured by Palestine.
Hamas is also the democratically elected government of Gaza [not Palestine] - aren't you lot meant to be all for respecting the 'will of the people'?
Palestinians protest violently
Are you capable of stating a fact and not a trite generalization which is simply not grounded in fact? - some Palestinians might protest violently [which is entirely their right] but again so what? Israeli settlers are well known for their heinously violent behavior as well
Israel have a right to defend their border, just like any other country
So Palestinians are entitled to gun down any Israeli they find in Gaza or the West bank then? - You do know you just gave a perfect justification for Palestinians to kill thousands of West Bank settlers right?
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Because it's trendy.

I personally don't care that much about it. I don't know why people vehemently take sides over a territorial conflict thousands of miles away which they have absolutely no stake in whatsoever.
Considering a great number of terror attacks in the west have been perpetrated expressly because of whats going on in Palestine i think you'll find you're mistaken.
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Because they are hard wired to side with those that they believe to be oppressed.

In the case of Israel, liberals tend to view Israelis as the oppressors and the Palestinians as the oppressed, even though the situation is much more nuanced as they imagine it be.

People always talk about Palestinians being kicked out of their homes after the creation of the nation of Israel, but they conveniently ignore the fact that hundreds of thousands of Arab and Sephardic Jews were also forcibly kicked out of their homes in the Arab and Maghreb nations.
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Because for those in the left, in the oppression Olympics, Muslims win gold every time. If there is a clash of interests other minorities such as Jews and women, get thrown under the bus.
This is the prime reason they spent so long deflecting and denying the grooming rape gangs attacking thousands of young girls even though they would all declare themselves as feminists.
Constantly claiming we live in a rape culture but ignoring the biggest example of one the country has seen since the Vikings arrived.
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