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Which law school has the best reputation among employers: Liverpool, York or Cardiff?
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Pleas help. This is urgent
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They're more or less equal. Not that any marginal differences in reputation will matter. If you're interested in the differences in uni rep back home, you're on the wrong website.
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They're more or less equal. Not that any marginal differences in reputation will matter. If you're interested in the differences in uni rep back home, you're on the wrong website.
What site would be best for that? Also are they all more or less equal for graduation prospects?
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What site would be best for that? Also are they all more or less equal for graduation prospects?
If there is a difference in grad prospects, it's because of things other than uni reputation.

I have no idea as to what TSR's equivalents are.
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If there is a difference in grad prospects, it's because of things other than uni reputation.

I have no idea as to what TSR's equivalents are.
So, for graduation prospects, they're all considered around the same standard? Are they all decent?
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So, for graduation prospects, they're all considered around the same standard? Are they all decent?
Yes and yes.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking that your university defines your career. It doesn't.
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Yes and yes.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking that your university defines your career. It doesn't.
Thank you. I don't mean to offend you but what experience do you have regarding this topic
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Thank you. I don't mean to offend you but what experience do you have regarding this topic
Endless chats with HR + having gone through the VS/TC process myself.
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Endless chats with HR + having gone through the VS/TC process myself.
alright so all 3 would generally be seen as equally quite good for the whole process of getting employment and pupilage as a solicitor (doesn't strictly have to be a top london firm)?
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alright so all 3 would generally be seen as equally quite good for the whole process of getting employment and pupilage as a solicitor (doesn't strictly have to be a top london firm)?
For the billionth time, yes.

You can't get pupillage as a solicitor. You can only get a training contract. Pupillage is for barristers only.

Some of these firms may not get as much in the way of recruitment visits/dinners/presentations/whatever from the City firms that don't have the recruitment budget of the MC, but who cares - none of these university-specific events are irreplaceable. Besides, you'll be getting plenty of visits from local and regional law firms. Even unis like Bristol enjoy large national firms like Osborne Clarke and Burges Salmon among their top sponsors.

TL;DR Stop obsessing with things that aren't relevant to you, and start making decisions based on things that actually affect your life (like location, cost of studying, accommodation, etc).
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Would disagree, York is more prestigious than Liverpool and Cardiff. Albeit, the difference is due to Liverpool pretty much accepting anyone and everyone for the last 2-3 years. Their law school is the size of most universities, it probably is a poor learning environment.

But anyway, OP; the better choice is York/Cardiff however, if you are fixated on Liverpool then that is fine too.
York is better than Cardiff and Cardiff is better than Liverpool, in terms of the rigour of the courses and essentially how "legit" they are. The issue is OP asked about employability and it is rather unlikely that an employer is going to have a preference which takes in to account that superiority. Where there is a preference, it won't be based on objective reasoning but the recruiter went to your uni or their cousin's daughter went.
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Which law school has the best reputation among employers: Liverpool, York or Cardiff?
http://www.chambersstudent.co.uk/whe...d-universities

^ This is a study of which universities recent trainees of magic circle, London city and regional law firms attended. I dont believe that there is anything similar for trainee barristers, but may be wrong.
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I've firmed Cardiff over Exeter and yes I still worry about it everyday but I'd rather be in a good environment where I fit in, and if anything like this doesn't bother you I'd say choose York.
ALSO I've been searching this for ages, I hope it helps you a little:

http://www.chambersstudent.co.uk/whe...d-universities
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York is better than Cardiff and Cardiff is better than Liverpool, in terms of the rigour of the courses and essentially how "legit" they are. The issue is OP asked about employability and it is rather unlikely that an employer is going to have a preference which takes in to account that superiority. Where there is a preference, it won't be based on objective reasoning but the recruiter went to your uni or their cousin's daughter went.
May I, just for my own understand, ask if your information and experience regarding this recruitment process is recent or current? Does all of it (in this thread and others) currently apply?
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I've firmed Cardiff over Exeter and yes I still worry about it everyday but I'd rather be in a good environment where I fit in, and if anything like this doesn't bother you I'd say choose York.
ALSO I've been searching this for ages, I hope it helps you a little:

http://www.chambersstudent.co.uk/whe...d-universities
I literally posted that ten minutes before you did haha!

One issue with the results provided on there is that it only looks at the number of graduates from each university objectively and doesn't take into account that some universities (such as York) have much fewer law students each year than others (such as Manchester and Liverpool). So although places like Liverpool may look as though a high number of students have gone on to work in top firms, it may be just a small percent of those who took the course.
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I literally posted that ten minutes before you did haha!

One issue with the results provided on there is that it only looks at the number of graduates from each university objectively and doesn't take into account that some universities (such as York) have much fewer law students each year than others (such as Manchester and Liverpool). So although places like Liverpool may look as though a high number of students have gone on to work in top firms, it may be just a small percent of those who took the course.
so york, comparatively, has a very small pool of law graduates, when compared to liverpool, manchester and cardiff? Therefore, would york's actual reputation most likely be better than the stats show (I believe the stats show York around 12th for a few key categories)
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I literally posted that ten minutes before you did haha!

One issue with the results provided on there is that it only looks at the number of graduates from each university objectively and doesn't take into account that some universities (such as York) have much fewer law students each year than others (such as Manchester and Liverpool). So although places like Liverpool may look as though a high number of students have gone on to work in top firms, it may be just a small percent of those who took the course.
Interesting, and yes this makes sense. LOL I've left the tab open for so long now I can see all the replies.

So do you think a first for LLB is likely to judged equally if you are from Cardiff, Liverpool, York or Exeter? Obviously taking into consideration of your characteristics, work ethic, competence and all other work experience you've undertaken?
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Interesting, and yes this makes sense. LOL I've left the tab open for so long now I can see all the replies.

So do you think a first for LLB is likely to judged equally if you are from Cardiff, Liverpool, York or Exeter? Obviously taking into consideration of your characteristics, work ethic, competence and all other work experience you've undertaken?
There are stats floating around claiming how much of a factor the university plays when determining prospective students and it's fairly low (15-20% from what I remember).

What seems to be more important is how the individual university mentors and encourages it's students to put themselves in a position where they are more employable through careers skills sessions.
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May I, just for my own understand, ask if your information and experience regarding this recruitment process is recent or current? Does all of it (in this thread and others) currently apply?
These things don't change much save for a drastic difference in student make-up (if somehow lower reputed unis all managed to snap away all the uber ambitious, driven, career minded and smart kids away from their usual strongholds).

Generally this is the model I've found:

Elite positions within elite firms recruit elite kids from elite to above average unis for the most part.

Non-elite positions within elite firms or decent positions within mid-ranging firms recruit most of their kids from mid-ranging universities or the lower end of the top/elite.

Less reputable firms and less desirable positions pick up the rest of the folks.

Then you have the underemployed/unemployed folks that were kind of unlucky - this bracket does increase as you go down the scale of universities.

None of this is concrete as people move up the ladder for e.g. postgrad, transferring or through sheer self-determination. It also can be augmented by the fact different universities are stronger in certain areas than others (and thus draw stronger students). It's all kind of "imperfect" but largely that structure is what graduate prospects (for jobs) looks like in the UK today.
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