AQA A2 LAW UNIT 3 (LAW03) - 12th June 2018 Watch

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How did it go? I did scenario 1 and found it alright.

1) Assault, GBH (s20 and s18), and self defence
2) Murder, Diminished Responsibility
3) Memorised essay on murder
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I did assault and ABH for question 1. I’ve just looked at the case of K v DPP which is where a defendant was convicted of ABH for causing scarring. I didn’t really consider scarring to be permanent disfigurement??

For question 2 I did DR and ruled out LOC by saying that SI isn’t a qualifying trigger
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I did assault and ABH for question 1. I’ve just looked at the case of K v DPP which is where a defendant was convicted of ABH for causing scarring. I didn’t really consider scarring to be permanent disfigurement??

For question 2 I did DR and ruled out LOC by saying that SI isn’t a qualifying trigger
My guy, was the only one of my mates to consider it more on the basis of ABH, than GBH although it was discussed in my answer.
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Multiple ABH is equals to GBH though. But I reckon you'll be credited for any one of them.
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(Original post by EllieH12345)
I did assault and ABH for question 1. I’ve just looked at the case of K v DPP which is where a defendant was convicted of ABH for causing scarring. I didn’t really consider scarring to be permanent disfigurement??

For question 2 I did DR and ruled out LOC by saying that SI isn’t a qualifying trigger
The loss of control would be established through anger trigger with sexual infidelity as a contributing factor. But probably fails on reasonable man test at end
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The loss of control would be established through anger trigger with sexual infidelity as a contributing factor. But probably fails on reasonable man test at end
Ah ok thank you hope I didn’t mess it up too bad
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Anyone do scenario 2?

For Q4, I put GBH (could be ABH) with intoxication (forgot consent) and Wounding with transferred malice and causation issues regarding the seat belt as well as the thin skull rule saying D must take V as he finds her.

For Q5, I put UAM and GNM with the causation issues of action of the second thief and the think skull rule for the elderly lady

Anyone put anything else and think missing out the consent is a big loss of marks?
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Anyone do scenario 2?

For Q4, I put GBH (could be ABH) with intoxication (forgot consent) and Wounding with transferred malice and causation issues regarding the seat belt as well as the thin skull rule saying D must take V as he finds her.

For Q5, I put UAM and GNM with the causation issues of action of the second thief and the think skull rule for the elderly lady

Anyone put anything else and think missing out the consent is a big loss of marks?
I did the same! Didn’t do thin skull rule for the first question, did Harriet have a pre existing injury?!?! But I pretty much did the same. S18&S20 GBH.

I did exactly the same for Q5, my UAM was assault? I briefly mentioned it could be ABH due to psychiatric harm (this is probably wrong anyway).

I doubt you’ll lose a lot of marks for not including consent. My teacher said defences are usually 3-5 marks depending on the length of the other offences.
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I did the same! Didn’t do thin skull rule for the first question, did Harriet have a pre existing injury?!?! But I pretty much did the same. S18&S20 GBH.

I did exactly the same for Q5, my UAM was assault? I briefly mentioned it could be ABH due to psychiatric harm (this is probably wrong anyway).

I doubt you’ll lose a lot of marks for not including consent. My teacher said defences are usually 3-5 marks depending on the length of the other offences.
Ah ok, thanks for the consolidation. I used the think skull rule basically to say that D must take his victim as he finds them seat belt or no seat belt. The prior weakness was the lack of protection. I do not think you would loose marks for not including it as it is very obscure.

Also, yeah I put assault for the UAM
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Did scenario one but I'm thinking it wasn't so comprehensive..

1) Talked about Assault, ABH, and Self Defence
2) Addressed Murder and LOC, but said he failed on LOC and so dismissed it.. didn't talk about DR..
3) Murder and vm essay was alright, didn't write a conclusion though ahh.
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I did the same! Didn’t do thin skull rule for the first question, did Harriet have a pre existing injury?!?! But I pretty much did the same. S18&S20 GBH.

I did exactly the same for Q5, my UAM was assault? I briefly mentioned it could be ABH due to psychiatric harm (this is probably wrong anyway).

I doubt you’ll lose a lot of marks for not including consent. My teacher said defences are usually 3-5 marks depending on the length of the other offences.
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Ah ok, thanks for the consolidation. I used the think skull rule basically to say that D must take his victim as he finds them seat belt or no seat belt. The prior weakness was the lack of protection. I do not think you would loose marks for not including it as it is very obscure.

Also, yeah I put assault for the UAM
for the seatbelt bit I put it didn't break the chain of causation as part of victims own actions? - Roberts?
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Did the scenario state that the scarring was permanent? Or severe?
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for the seatbelt bit I put it didn't break the chain of causation as part of victims own actions? - Roberts?
Could argue either way as long as you acknowledged it!
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Anyone do scenario 2?

For Q4, I put GBH (could be ABH) with intoxication (forgot consent) and Wounding with transferred malice and causation issues regarding the seat belt as well as the thin skull rule saying D must take V as he finds her.

For Q5, I put UAM and GNM with the causation issues of action of the second thief and the think skull rule for the elderly lady

Anyone put anything else and think missing out the consent is a big loss of marks?
I didn't talk about the seat belt I missed it but i just said her braking was reasonably foreseeable so her own act did not break the chain?
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did anyone fail to include causation in the murder question in scenario 1? i did, and i'm soooo nervous that i messed it up
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did anyone fail to include causation in the murder question in scenario 1? i did, and i'm soooo nervous that i messed it up
I did not do scenario 1, however from reading markschemes before, not including causation is not a massive problem. Providing you did the other answers well, it is you probably still got a clear for the murder. Remember a Sound, sound and a clear is still 25/25. Also the causation issues on the other scenario were more important, meaning probably there was less of a focus for your answer.
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I did not do scenario 1, however from reading markschemes before, not including causation is not a massive problem. Providing you did the other answers well, it is you probably still got a clear for the murder. Remember a Sound, sound and a clear is still 25/25. Also the causation issues on the other scenario were more important, meaning probably there was less of a focus for your answer.
thanks, that's helpful. i did the murder one alright i think, but I i did loss of control instead of diminished responsibility. i knew it was DR, but i couldn't remember it. i think 1st question and the critical evaluation was OK though
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thanks, that's helpful. i did the murder one alright i think, but I i did loss of control instead of diminished responsibility. i knew it was DR, but i couldn't remember it. i think 1st question and the critical evaluation was OK though
Ah ok, well from what my friends told me, you were meant to do LoC too. I know a lot of them did not do Diminished responsibility though so probably got a clear on that too. Still though three clear answers can be 21/25 and therefore an A. On my scenario I purposely missed out consent as I knew I did not have enough time. I also missed out a paragraph on my evaluation essay. But overall, I think I answered the other stuff ok so hopefully still an A
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i did scenario 1 and i raised diminished responsibility but cancelled it out because he said about “there’ll be more of that if you do it again” after he attacked him with the brick so i said that shows he understands it bad and therefore understands the nature of his conduct??? was this wrong??? and i raised loss of control too but didn’t cancel it out and said how sexual infidelity assisted the anger trigger?? and i didn’t mention anything about transferred malice either in regards to ellie/beth/alison and apparently there was??
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For scenario 1 did you also consider transferred malice?
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