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The Post-Messi Draft Final - chiggy vs Cxm / Marshmello's Dad watch

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    We've made it, finally...

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    chiggy ................................ ................................ ......vs........................ ................................ .............. Cxm
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    chigyy's Tactics

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    It’s glaringly obvious, stop Marshmallow’s front 3 and you’ve won the game. I don’t particularly think he’s got a great defence nor a midfield, even with these two new additions. In order to nullify his attacking threat, I have gone with a 4231 formation. Going by Marshmallow’s previous games, with 5 in midfield, he will be heavily out-numbered, which will ultimately allow me to dominate the game.

    Defensive phase
    My aim is to sit back, soak up pressure, and hit him on the counter with my pacey ‘front 4’. One on one, I believe both of my full backs are able to, at the very least, contain his wingers. However, should they ever require any help either the CB or CDM from that respective side will do so by doubling Neymar or Salah. Should the CB go out wide and help the CDM will drop back and slot into the hole vacated by said CB. With his wingers covered, I have essentially my 2 CB (Hummels and Umtiti) against his lone striker whom isn’t particularly the fastest, nor is he the greatest in the air.

    I will look for my front 4 to press as soon as the ball is lost to try win back possession, however, should Marshmallow’s team beat that press, they will then drop back deeper and begin to soak up pressure again.

    Attacking phase
    As stated, above I will be looking to hit Marshmallow on the counter after soaking up his team’s pressure. Due to sitting back, his midfield and defence will push further up the pitch leading to huge amounts of space for my attacking players to exploit. I have attackers that are extremely pacey, very technical and clinical. With the new addition of Griezmann, I have finally acquired an out and out striker, who knows where the goal is.

    Aside from counter attacks, my 3 CAM’s will be continuously moving and switching between each other, no one is really set in any sort of specific position, this will cause plenty of problems for Marshmallow’s defence, hence creating gaps in which my players can exploit by either running into that space with the ball, or finding each other through intricate passing, both of which all 3 players are very capable of.

    I won’t be asking my full back’s to push up very often, but should my team be unable to find a way through Marshmallow’s defence, I will have one of the two, more so Alba, to push up and provide width and drag out his RWB/RB, hence creating space for my CAM’s/Griezmann to run into.
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    Cxm / MD's Tactics

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    I’m playing a 4-3-3

    I’ve brought in Kroos to control the midfield, give the team more of a balance, letting the team keep possession rather than just counter attacks. He’ll be playing as more of a creator like he did for Germany rather than sit deep. Bringing him in allows me to keep 2 pivots in midfield whilst Kroos can have a free role.

    Also, I brought in Boateng just to make my defence much stronger, I don’t need to play an additional defender anymore. I think Chigyy will replace Mbappe with Griezmann, or play them both either way I’m not concerned, for pace Varane is able to keep up with both, and aerial wise, his team will will be 0 threat no matter who he picks. All 3 of his striking options are weak in the air. (His other pick could be anyone) Each of his front 3 are identical in style. None of them offer something the other doesn’t. They’re just the same player on different levels.

    My team can play both; keeping possession or playing on the counter depending on the situation. All 3 of my midfielders are excellent at keeping the ball, all 3 bring something different to the midfield. Casemiro is the defensive minded player. Kroos is the creator and Kovacic brings a lot of pace and is able to beat his man with ease.

    Neymar is shown deeper than Salah because Neymar is someone who can link the Midfield to Attack (messi-like) whereas Salah comes alive in the final third. I should’ve said this in the previous round but Neymar often comes towards the midfield and can carry the ball forward to combine the positions. Whilst keeping possession, it’s almost like a 4-4-2

    This is how it will look going forward:
    Starting from the back, Varane will rotate and move to the outside position to fill in for whichever wing-back has gone forward. As shown; he’s filling in for Telles, vice versa if Walker goes forward instead. This is because he has the pace and strength to keep up with the opposition wingers.

    Kroos sticks to his CM position, a bit more advanced as Kovacic plays behind him in a slightly deeper role. This way the midfield can control the possession, especially with Neymar and Telles playing within the same area too, essentially making it a 5 in midfield. Casemiro will be the furthest back from the midfielders. He will go into a CB position if Chigyy team is on the counter but other than that he would be marking the opposition striker.

    Salah would be more wideout, not having as much of a midfield possession role, instead, being someone who plays more directly, once he gets the ball, it goes forward to create a chance.

    Lewandowski can play as the poacher, he’s a threat from anywhere inside or around the 18 yard box. He’s also a massive aerial threat. If Telles or Salah were to cross the ball, Neymar is pretty decent with his heading ability too though the main way of scoring for my team would be low crosses, through balls behind the defence or simply just taking the defence on 1v1.

    Each of my defenders left at the back have pace. They’re all tall, fast and good in the air. This will minimise any threat of a deadly counter.

    Defensive formation:
    This is the formation my team will fall into when conceding possession.

    The 18 yard area would be compacted and congested. Telles and Walker will play narrow, making Chigyy’s team create most of their chances from crosses but with only 1 striker, it’ll be exceptionally hard for him to win anything, especially against 2 6’4+ defenders who win 68%+ of their aerial duels.

    Casemiro will fall into the CB position occasionally, Kovacic and Kroos will close the gaps in front of the back 5. Both are good at tackling. If they ball is intercepted, Kroos can play a inch perfect pass into the front 3 and Kovacic can run with the ball.

    I’m allowing my team to concede crosses and long shots on purpose because I know there’s no threat. Through the middle it’ll be very compact, the only space would be on the wings.

    Salah is able to track Chigyy’s wingback if he tries to overlap (A role he was used to at Roma). And, Lewandowski will press from behind, forcing his midfielders to either have a snapshot, pass it wide or try penetrate the midfield + defence.

    Neymar is the only player with no defensive responsibility, he can stay up to hold the ball once intercepted. 4/7 players back can play long balls, always keeping the counter attack threat inevitable.
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    Marshmello's Dad chigyy bj27 trapking Zerforax S.G. Hazard28 Malevolent

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    I think a massive weakness in Chigyy team is that there's absolutely no variation. His CDM are quite similar, they offer the same thing.

    The two wingers/wide AM's both have similar playing styles.

    Pogba is played out of position, yes he goes forward a lot but that's because he's a box to box midfielder, sticking him up there doesn't really work. He's probably played AM a dozen times in his career. Edit: Pogba has played CAM a dozen + 1 times (Opta)

    Griezmann as the sole striker doesn't offer much either, he needs a big man with him, everyone knows that. There's no aerial threat, the only option Chigyy's forwards have is to play low crosses or try to penetrate the back 5. It's too limited. Needed a better variety of players.
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    Like chigyy’s idea of dominating the midfield. Completely worked out Cxm’s 3 there, but will read the thread later when deciding for an accurate judgement.
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    Interesting.

    Personally looking at the overlaps. Will Walker and Salah handle Hazard and Alba on the overlap? Telles and Neymar vs Azpi and Reus too.

    Midfields both look good, with Kroos there's more emphasis on keeping the ball and he can release those two on the counter as well, though there is Kante and Fabinho there who will try and protect.

    The real question is who is most likely to score. I think the issue is the lack of a box to box midfielder for Chigyys team. I guess 4 people up for the counter will be great if you can reach them though.

    Feel like Griezmann will be isolated in the game which may be an issue, although one of his main strengths is being good at getting scrap goals from being isolated all game.
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    Between the two chiggyy is winning the midfield battle, especially when all his forwards are capable of dropping deep and doing some of the dirty work. Can't say the same about players like Neymar and Salah that will be inclined to stay up the pitch naturally. For that reason I can imagine chiggy sitting deep and absorbing the pressure, winning the ball in deep midfield and then breaking with pace.
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    (Original post by Hazard28)
    Between the two chiggyy is winning the midfield battle, especially when all his forwards are capable of dropping deep and doing some of the dirty work. Can't say the same about players like Neymar and Salah that will be inclined to stay up the pitch naturally. For that reason I can imagine chiggy sitting deep and absorbing the pressure, winning the ball in deep midfield and then breaking with pace.
    Defending sure...But scoring. I don't see any way of his team scoring. 0 threat to my defence. All the same players, all will try the same thing. No real striker and we all know how important a world class striker is. So many team just 1 world class striker away from becoming an amazing team. Griezmann wouldn't stay in position, he would constantly swap with Reus and Hazard, making it even less likely to score
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    (Original post by Marshmello's Dad)
    Defending sure...But scoring. I don't see any way of his team scoring. 0 threat to my defence. All the same players, all will try the same thing. No real striker and we all know how important a world class striker is. So many team just 1 world class striker away from becoming an amazing team. Griezmann wouldn't stay in position, he would constantly swap with Reus and Hazard, making it even less likely to score
    Your defence is getting cut apart on the wings as you've chosen two fullbacks who are more attack oriented. Surprised no one called you out on this before, probably because we were all focused on your attack. Chiggyy could just attack down the wings where you're weakest.
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    (Original post by Hazard28)
    Your defence is getting cut apart on the wings as you've chosen two fullbacks who are more attack oriented. Surprised no one called you out on this before, probably because we were all focused on your attack. Chiggyy could just attack down the wings where you're weakest.
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    (Original post by Marshmello's Dad)
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    I doubt you're going to get into that defensive shape quickly enough when he has that kind of pace on the counter though.
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    (Original post by Hazard28)
    I doubt you're going to get into that defensive shape quickly enough when he has that kind of pace on the counter though.
    3 of my 4 defenders are faster than his wingers and striker...

    Kovacic is faster than Pogba too..It would be a 5v4 in a worse case scenario
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    (Original post by Marshmello's Dad)
    3 of my 4 defenders are faster than his wingers and striker...
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    Who's faster than who?
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    Doesn't need a world class striker, needs someone who can play the others in.

    Watching Griezmann for France and seeing how different he played with Giroud alongside him compared to playing as the lone front man is an issue.

    I guess Pogba being close to Griezmann can mitigate that though but him having Kroos in the team kinda swings it in his favour atm especially if Kante is spending a lot of time sitting back. I criticised Cxm's tactics throughout this tournament for not having a guy to work in transition and just expecting the forwards to do the work which doesn't sit right with me, but Kroos and Kovacic are good at that(Kroos used to play this position under Guardiola/Heynckes, Kovacic while not the greatest is still an effective box to box midfielder for the formation)

    Pogba also performs best in a 3 where he's given space to operate in that midfield, he was pretty ineffective at attacking midfield for José(who used him there in the same role for some big games in 16/17) and in 15/16. He also works bests in sides that aim to dominate possession of the ball. At Juve Conte was a guy who liked his sides being in possession of the ball which was what got Pogba doing so well under him.

    That being said, I can see a Kante+Fabinho midfield doing a lot of defensive work which can free up the front 4, but Kante will need to be part of the transition play like he so often does at a 2 man midfield.
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    (Original post by Hazard28)
    Who's faster than who?
    Telles > Reus
    Walker > Hazard
    Varane > Everyone on the pitch
    Kovacic > Pogba

    Also don't forget, in my tactics I said I want him to play through the wings because there's no aerial threat..unless he wants to play low cross into a box with 5 defenders..
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    (Original post by Marshmello's Dad)
    Telles > Reus
    Walker > Hazard
    Varane > Everyone on the pitch
    Kovacic > Pogba

    Also don't forget, in my tactics I said I want him to play through the wings because there's no aerial threat..unless he wants to play low cross into a box with 5 defenders..
    Nah cos at most you have 4 players back when you attack, and similarly he can break with 4 on the counter. So even in a 1v1, you have players like Telles and Walker who are more attack minded fullbacks that will need to stop Hazard and Reus. Even if they are as fast (not sure about Telles being quicker than Reus), they don't have the defensive quality to stop their man.
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    Hazard and Walker are same pace and Hazard has better acceleration over the first 10 yards(Walker could catch up in a sprint if Hazard is on the ball though). But obviously Walker wouldn't get beat for pace unless he is clearly out of position. Walker's been less offensively this season too as a RB/CM hybrid. Telles probably the guy where you could attack as Neymar will do the square root of nothing defensively but will depend if Azpilicueta is given instructions to overlap or get chances to whip in crosses.

    Telles and Reus probably same pace. Reus is seriously fast too.

    Pogba is faster than Kovacic though. Pogba is ridiculously fast but because he's tall and the tactical genius Mourinho doesn't actually want him to go forward and attack people don't realise.

    (Original post by Hazard28)
    Your defence is getting cut apart on the wings as you've chosen two fullbacks who are more attack oriented. Surprised no one called you out on this before, probably because we were all focused on your attack. Chiggyy could just attack down the wings where you're weakest.
    I did say I'd use my wingbacks on the last draft but whatever really.

    Real Madrid have two offensive fullbacks that are trash at defending, with the left side in particular having no defensive stability whatsoever with Ronaldo there(in that hybrid striker/winger role he been doing) and they've got 3CLs in a row(with 2 of the same midfielders)
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    (Original post by Hazard28)
    Nah cos at most you have 4 players back when you attack, and similarly he can break with 4 on the counter. So even in a 1v1, you have players like Telles and Walker who are more attack minded fullbacks that will need to stop Hazard and Reus. Even if they are as fast (not sure about Telles being quicker than Reus), they don't have the defensive quality to stop their man.
    Casemiro tucks into a back 4 when my players are up front. Varane follows Hazard/Reus, Casemiro marks the striker to cut passing lines, Boateng covers, Walker runs with Hazard. Kovacic follows Pogba's run

    All 4 of his counter attacking players would have someone on them. Also pace and counter attack isn't the only way to win games. My team is more balanced, my team can both counter and keep possession. His team doesn't know what possession is. And tbh he's basically playing a 4-2-4, doing an Argentina.
 
 
 
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