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    A terrible crime.
    What does everybody think of the deepening crisis in the country? Do you see an end in sight or could this be a gradual slide into greater anarchy?
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    Venezuelan security forces have carried out hundreds of arbitrary killings under the guise of fighting crime, the UN's human rights body says.
    In a report, it cites "shocking" accounts of young men being killed during operations, often in poor districts, over the past three years.
    The UN's human rights chief said no-one was being held to account, suggesting the rule of law was "virtually absent".
    Venezuela has in the past dismissed human rights allegations as "lies".
    The country is going through a protracted political and economic crisis.
    Media captionThe search for food in VenezuelaWhat is at the root of the crisis?

    Venezuela has the world's largest proven oil reserves. When socialist President Hugo Chávez was in power, from 1999 until his death in 2013, he used oil money to finance social programmes.
    But the opposition says much of the income was lost to mismanagement, patronage, and corruption.
    Critics accuse Mr Chavez's successor, President Nicolás Maduro, of using increasingly authoritarian tactics as the economy collapsed, prompting hundreds of thousands of people to flee abroad.
    Last year dozens of protesters were killed in clashes during protests against hyperinflation and food shortages.
    Mr Maduro was re-elected in May, in a poll boycotted by the opposition and criticised by the UN and other international bodies.
    Image copyrightAFPImage captionNicolás Maduro recently won a second six-year term in office









    What does the report say?

    The UN Human Rights Office alleges that extra-judicial killings were carried out by officers involved with the Operations for the Liberation of the People, ostensibly a crime-reduction initiative.
    These officers may have killed more than 500 people since July 2015 as a way to showcase crime-reduction results, it says. They are alleged to have faked evidence to make it look as though the victims died in exchanges of fire.

    UN investigators have been denied access to Venezuela. They made their findings from interviews with about 150 witnesses and victims contacted through "internet-based technologies", the report says.
    A number of interview with exiles were also held in Geneva, it adds. Some of the other evidence comes from former Attorney General Luisa Ortega. She was fired by Mr Maduro last year and went into exile.
    The report says that under her replacement, investigations into allegations of abuses have virtually stopped.










    Case study: 'He was human, not a dog'

    The grandmother of a man killed during an operation in March 2018 told UN investigators that 50 officers had broken into their home, all of them dressed in black with a skull symbol on their jackets.
    "They woke my 23-year-old grandson up, handcuffed him with plastic ties and took him out," she said. After a few minutes, the family heard gunshots. When they went downstairs to see what had happened, they were ordered back inside.
    "Later, the forensic doctor told me that he had died of two gunshots to the chest and that he had been severely hit on the head.
    "The police report mentioned that my grandson was carrying a gun and that he had opened fire against security forces, which is a lie. I want justice, he was a human being, not a dog."










    Impunity

    Katy Watson, BBC South America correspondent
    Reports of extrajudicial killings are worrying yet not surprising. The crackdown from government forces during last year's protests brought international criticism, and impunity is so prevalent that people fear for their safety every day, especially in big cities such as the capital Caracas.
    The government's reaction to such criticism is also predictable - it either denies the problems exist, or blames the US.
    Yet the problems don't go away. They just get worse.
    I was in Venezuela for the elections last month and everybody recounted stories of not being able to get enough food or access medicines - they say it's a situation that's become impossible. Those who can leave.










    Did the UN mention the country's economic problems?

    Yes. The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Zeid Ra'ad Al Hussein, accused Venezuela of failing to acknowledge the depth of its crisis.
    "When a box of hypertension pills costs more than the monthly minimum wage and baby milk formula more than two months' salary, but protesting against such an impossible situation can land you in jail, the extreme injustice of it all is stark," he added.
    Mr Hussein suggested the International Criminal Court could become involved.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-44575599
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    Left wing utopia takes a turn for the worst? Who could have guess that? This is what happens when people put their faith in left wing parties like Labour.
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    (Original post by Atlas_Shrugged)
    Left wing utopia takes a turn for the worst? Who could have guess that? This is what happens when people put their faith in left wing parties like Labour.
    Yes because being left-wing ipso facto means you gun down your citizens?
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    (Original post by Napp)
    Yes because being left-wing ipso facto means you gun down your citizens?
    Tbh it's generally gulags or starvation killing the population.
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    (Original post by DarthRoar)
    Tbh it's generally gulags or starvation killing the population.
    Or concentration camps, carpet bombing, secret police et al.
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    (Original post by DarthRoar)
    Tbh it's generally gulags or starvation killing the population.
    You forgot the classic "Forced March into the country side, being forced to dig your own grave, before being shot in the head". Oh those socialists!
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    (Original post by Logical_Son)
    You forgot the classic "Forced March into the country side, being forced to dig your own grave, before being shot in the head". Oh those socialists!
    Nah that's generally fascism right there
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    (Original post by DarthRoar)
    Nah that's generally fascism right there
    Um, I hate to point this out to you, but fascism is a form of socialism (you might want to find out about a man called Mussolini). But the Forced March comment refers to COMMUNISTS (which, in case you don't know is also a form of socialism).

    Glad I could inform you on something you were previously uninformed about.
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    https://youtu.be/zJL5ykIxYRQ

    The evils of Socialism

    An excellent talk given at Exeter University by the ever watchable Yaron Brooks ( if you don't recognize the name it's Yawon Bwooks wid a stwong Bwooklyn accent)
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    (Original post by Atlas_Shrugged)
    Left wing utopia takes a turn for the worst? Who could have guess that? This is what happens when people put their faith in left wing parties like Labour.
    No no, it’s because they haven’t done it properly, just like all of the left wing dictators of the past
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    (Original post by Logical_Son)
    Um, I hate to point this out to you, but fascism is a form of socialism (you might want to find out about a man called Mussolini). But the Forced March comment refers to COMMUNISTS (which, in case you don't know is also a form of socialism).

    Glad I could inform you on something you were previously uninformed about.
    Naw, you love to point it out to me.

    Fascism really isn't a form of socialism dude, it's the idea of a firm dictatorship leading a country, sacrificing the freedom of its citizens, centered on the nation and its values. Sure, some fascists were socialists (mussolini) but plenty were not (see oswald mosley, and hitler).

    Generally, fascist countries wanted to kill people asap (jews etc) and thus marched them into their own graves. Socialist counties, however, were just so incompetent and flawed that their citizens either died in work camps or just starved.
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    (Original post by DarthRoar)
    Naw, you love to point it out to me.

    Fascism really isn't a form of socialism dude, it's the idea of a firm dictatorship leading a country, sacrificing the freedom of its citizens, centered on the nation and its values. Sure, some fascists were socialists (mussolini) but plenty were not (see oswald mosley, and hitler).

    Generally, fascist countries wanted to kill people asap (jews etc) and thus marched them into their own graves. Socialist counties, however, were just so incompetent and flawed that their citizens either died in work camps or just starved.
    The nazis only began extermination when they started losing. Up until then they were doing what the Soviet’s did (gulags) just on a much smaller scale
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    "but but...that's not real socialism!!" hehe.... fools
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    (Original post by Logical_Son)
    Um, I hate to point this out to you, but fascism is a form of socialism (you might want to find out about a man called Mussolini). But the Forced March comment refers to COMMUNISTS (which, in case you don't know is also a form of socialism).

    Glad I could inform you on something you were previously uninformed about.
    No it isn't.

    Mussolin made it clear on numerous occasion that his fascism was neither socialist nor capitalist, it was supposed to be neither, and both, a Third Way (a principal also used by Gaddafi and Tony Blair).
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    (Original post by DarthRoar)
    Naw, you love to point it out to me.

    Fascism really isn't a form of socialism dude, it's the idea of a firm dictatorship leading a country, sacrificing the freedom of its citizens, centered on the nation and its values. Sure, some fascists were socialists (mussolini) but plenty were not (see oswald mosley, and hitler).

    Generally, fascist countries wanted to kill people asap (jews etc) and thus marched them into their own graves. Socialist counties, however, were just so incompetent and flawed that their citizens either died in work camps or just starved.

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/rad...07/fascism.htm
    "Fascism is middle-class Socialism, and we cannot persuade the middle classes to abandon it until we can prove to them that it only makes their condition worse."
    Karl Redak 1923

    Wait until you actually bother to read about Mao and Pot, you know, instead of just trying to bluff with your opinion.
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    ^ Well done nearly the entire world are ignorant of what fascism actually is. Just ask any anti-fascist and they'll struggle to define it and if they give you a definition you will see how much of it often matches their beliefs.
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    (Original post by ExposeTheNose.)
    ^ Well done nearly the entire world are ignorant of what fascism actually is. Just ask any anti-fascist and they'll struggle to define it and if they give you a definition you will see how much of it often matches their beliefs.




    "There are two kinds of fascists: fascists and anti-fascists."Ennio Flaiano
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    (Original post by D3LLI5)
    The nazis only began extermination when they started losing. Up until then they were doing what the Soviet’s did (gulags) just on a much smaller scale
    Not really, even after the invasion of Poland in 1939 when the Nazis were definitely winning, einsatzgruppen were killing Jews. They were literally getting people to dig their own graves to then be shot into them.

    (Original post by Logical_Son)
    https://www.marxists.org/archive/rad...07/fascism.htm
    "Fascism is middle-class Socialism, and we cannot persuade the middle classes to abandon it until we can prove to them that it only makes their condition worse."
    Karl Redak 1923

    Wait until you actually bother to read about Mao and Pot, you know, instead of just trying to bluff with your opinion.
    GG that's a completely unbiased and representative source there at marxists.org, lets not also mention that that's written by a radical socialist in an attempt to further socialism. Failed at basic historical sourcing there dude.

    Fascism is not socialism, every reasonable definition matches mine and not yours.
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    (Original post by Just my opinion)
    https://youtu.be/zJL5ykIxYRQ

    The evils of Socialism

    An excellent talk given at Exeter University by the ever watchable Yaron Brooks ( if you don't recognize the name it's Yawon Bwooks wid a stwong Bwooklyn accent)
    Socialism as an idea is not good or bad it the way that many governments who claim Socialist behave towards there citizens is evil
 
 
 
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