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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HExOdnZ3eJs

    This is the second time I’ve seen him on the BBC, here’s the first:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jix0GG4t6vc


    He’s completely unhinged, and I think it’ll be hard for anyone to disagree.
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    The English flag is a bit naff tbf. Wales have got the only good one of the home nations.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    The English flag is a bit naff tbf. Wales have got the only good one of the home nations.
    I rather prefer the Scottish one, the Wales one is a bit childish.

    Anyway, I find it tragic that this sort of mentality exists. I always try and understand each and every argument people make, but I really struggle with him.
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    Lets face facts here - he isnt wrong. whether you like it or not the only people who tend to fly the St George's cross are usually, albeit not universally, lower class hard nationalists.
    Amusingly enough the person wearing the flag epitomises the visual image one gets when thinking of the sort who fly the flag and get so dreadfully upset about it anyway.
    Also one last point - he should probably refrain from calling it "British" that flag is English not British.
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    (Original post by Napp)
    Lets face facts here - he isnt wrong. whether you like it or not the only people who tend to fly the St George's cross are usually, albeit not universally, lower class hard nationalists.
    Amusingly enough the person wearing the flag epitomises the visual image one gets when thinking of the sort who fly the flag and get so dreadfully upset about it anyway.
    Also one last point - he should probably refrain from calling it "British" that flag is English not British.
    Not at the moment tbf. Spot the racist has been made harder by the appearance of deluded football fans.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Not at the moment tbf. Spot the racist has been made harder by the appearance of deluded football fans.
    One would posit that they seem to go hand in hand these days anyway.
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    Was thinking about this the other day. If we one day had to recreate the English flag, what would it look like?

    It seems a lot of people are offended by it and it is quite frustrating for people who want to fly their national flag without being labelled racist
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    (Original post by SCIENCE :D)
    Was thinking about this the other day. If we one day had to recreate the English flag, what would it look like?

    It seems a lot of people are offended by it and it is quite frustrating for people who want to fly their national flag without being labelled racist
    It's not the design that makes people say racist, it's not the design people are offended by, it's that typically the overtly patriotic, flag flying all the time sort tend to be prats involved in racist groups like the BNP, EDL, Britain First etc.

    Don't think you can complain at people "being offended" (they're not) for noticing that trend and assuming off of it
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    It's not the design that makes people say racist, it's not the design people are offended by, it's that typically the overtly patriotic, flag flying all the time sort tend to be prats involved in racist groups like the BNP, EDL, Britain First etc.

    Don't think you can complain at people "being offended" (they're not) for noticing that trend and assuming off of it
    Well in the US and Canada the flag is flow over most schools and many people have them in their gardens. Even in Wales and Scotland people are able to fly their flag without the concious worry of being labelled racist.

    People should be able to fly their own flag without being labelled a nationalist, nothing wrong with a patriot. It's about finding the line between patriot and nationalist.
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    I don't think the BBC and these types of 'academics' realise the fire they are playing with. These kinds of comments do not endear ordinary English people to multiracialism and diversity, they have precisely the opposite effect and ultimately just drive more of them towards the far-right and further entrench those who already hold such views. If you constanty criticise and belittle the culture, traditions and symbolism of a people and their nation, then don't be surprised when they despise you for it and rightly see you as a threat to their identity.

    Just a few points, the Crusades where not the one way street he seems to portray them as. They were in large part a defensive response to several centuries of far more brutal Islamic aggression and conquest towards Christian lands. And it wasn't St George's cross that flew over the Empire and the colonies at it's greatest height, it was the Union Flag, why doesn't he take issue with that one? I wonder if he would also take issue with the Turkish flag for example, which stood as a symbol of Ottoman imperialism, oppression and enslavement across the Middle East, South East Europe and North Africa for centuries? I doubt it, in fact I'm certain if he pulled the same cards in Turkey, they wouldn't be anywhere near as tolerant towards him as we are here.
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    (Original post by SCIENCE :D)
    Well in the US and Canada the flag is flow over most schools and many people have them in their gardens. Even in Wales and Scotland people are able to fly their flag without the concious worry of being labelled racist.

    People should be able to fly their own flag without being labelled a nationalist, nothing wrong with a patriot. It's about finding the line between patriot and nationalist.

    There's a huge difference between those countries and England though. None of those have had flag waving so tightly ingrained with nationalism. Here though, those most likely to fly the flag are nationalists.
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    I'd like the England national flag a lot more if it had a big-ass rainbow coloured unicorn at the centre, no even joking.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    There's a huge difference between those countries and England though. None of those have had flag waving so tightly ingrained with nationalism. Here though, those most likely to fly the flag are nationalists.
    And?
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    (Original post by Occitanie)
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HExOdnZ3eJs

    This is the second time I’ve seen him on the BBC, here’s the first:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jix0GG4t6vc


    He’s completely unhinged, and I think it’ll be hard for anyone to disagree.
    British Sikhs and other ethnic minorities enjoy St George's Day it only liberals who won't.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-why-wont-lib/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htlkohTWWZk
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    There's a huge difference between those countries and England though. None of those have had flag waving so tightly ingrained with nationalism. Here though, those most likely to fly the flag are nationalists.
    Plenty of French flags on show here in the South of France. I live in a village of 100 people and there are at least 30 in show during the whole year. (Before you ask, nothing to do with the footie)
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    (Original post by Wōden)
    And?
    Comparing England, where overt displays of patriotism tend to be the reserve of utter tools, to the USA where overt patriotism is the default, doesn't make sense...


    (Original post by Occitanie)
    Plenty of French flags on show here in the South of France. I live in a village of 100 people and there are at least 30 in show during the whole year. (Before you ask, nothing to do with the footie)
    But again, the French flag isn't heavily associated with racist ****-knuckles, unlike the English flag
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    St George in my heart keep me english
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    It is a bit of a chitty flag compared to the union jack
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    (Original post by Napp)
    Lets face facts here - he isnt wrong. whether you like it or not the only people who tend to fly the St George's cross are usually, albeit not universally, lower class hard nationalists.
    Amusingly enough the person wearing the flag epitomises the visual image one gets when thinking of the sort who fly the flag and get so dreadfully upset about it anyway.
    Also one last point - he should probably refrain from calling it "British" that flag is English not British.
    You are Emily Thornberry and ICMFP. 😊
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    Do people actually care about what he thinks?
 
 
 
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