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If God knows the ending result of what will happen, what is the point of him creating us in the first place. Also, if everything has been planned/written out by God why is it that some people will still go hell, even though God knows how they'll be like in this world.
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this is with any religion honey, like christianity too.
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this is with any religion honey, like christianity too.
in that case, do u have an idea of why??
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If God knows the ending result of what will happen, what is the point of him creating us in the first place. Also, if everything has been planned/written out by God why is it that some people will still go hell, even though God knows how they'll be like in this world.

The whole point is that no one knows why. You are expecting someone to theorise an answer right?
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If God knows the ending result of what will happen, what is the point of him creating us in the first place. Also, if everything has been planned/written out by God why is it that some people will still go hell, even though God knows how they'll be like in this world.
It is a commonplace misconception that everything is pre-determined. Had that been the case there would have been no need of creation subjection to retribution. God sure do know everything but has not pre-destined as perceived. There is a difference in His knowing everything and having pre-determined everything. He being the Creator does know how a person would lead his life, what choices would he make etc. He, nevertheless, has endowed man with free-will to exercise his right of choice from the options available. It, therefore, can not be imagined that He is going against his own words/promise. (not my words)

Basically Allah has already set a path for you (in some ways determined you fate) but nevertheless Allah has also gurantated you free will, whether you stay on that path or not is down to you. Your choices will either change the fate that Allah has already dictated or end up taking the road that Allah has already imagined.
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(Original post by x.nesu)
in that case, do u have an idea of why??
yes what @roronoa said
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If God knows the ending result of what will happen, what is the point of him creating us in the first place. Also, if everything has been planned/written out by God why is it that some people will still go hell, even though God knows how they'll be like in this world.
So that when we go to hell, we can't complain it is unfair and pretend that we would've done something about it. Our lives are proof and justification for the punishment or reward for ourselves, not for God.
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(Original post by roronoa1zoro)
It is a commonplace misconception that everything is pre-determined. Had that been the case there would have been no need of creation subjection to retribution. God sure do know everything but has not pre-destined as perceived. There is a difference in His knowing everything and having pre-determined everything. He being the Creator does know how a person would lead his life, what choices would he make etc. He, nevertheless, has endowed man with free-will to exercise his right of choice from the options available. It, therefore, can not be imagined that He is going against his own words/promise. (not my words)

Basically Allah has already set a path for you (in some ways determined you fate) but nevertheless Allah has also gurantated you free will, whether you stay on that path or not is down to you. Your choices will either change the fate that Allah has already dictated or end up taking the road that Allah has already imagined.
No. That last lined bothered me senpai. Allah already knows what path you'll take regardless. Even if you have free will, He already knows whether your going to hell or heaven from the start. He is all knowing afterall. You can't do something that He wouldn't have known you would do. He knows EVERYTHING.
We live, purely for the simple reason that our lives are proof of our punishment of reward. It's unfair to put you in hell and say 'you would have anyway' but its fair when you live your life and have the evidence that you will go to hell. That way, no complaints.
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ohh it makes sense now. thanks
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No. That last lined bothered me senpai. Allah already knows what path you'll take regardless. Even if you have free will, He already knows whether your going to hell or heaven from the start. He is all knowing afterall. You can't do something that He wouldn't have known you would do. He knows EVERYTHING.
We live, purely for the simple reason that our lives are proof of our punishment of reward. It's unfair to put you in hell and say 'you would have anyway' but its fair when you live your life and have the evidence that you will go to hell. That way, no complaints.
ohh thats makes sense now. thanks
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Imagine being so narcissistic that even though you're omnipotent you have to create lesser beings to worship you and when they don't you punish them eternally - such a kind hearted and loving being.
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It's unfair to put you in hell and say 'you would have anyway' but its fair when you live your life and have the evidence that you will go to hell. That way, no complaints.
Only perverted religious 'logic' could conclude that.

If someone creates you, knowing that they will then punish you for eternity, for breaking rules that they made-up, failed to communicate, or offer any evidence of them even existing, then they're plain evil, not to mention stupid.
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Imagine being so narcissistic that even though you're omnipotent you have to create lesser beings to worship you and when they don't you punish them eternally - such a kind hearted and loving being.
Not to mention defining everything that they do as 'good' and creating some to defend their vile actions.
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OK you two, perverted or whatever its what we believe in. From those comments, I can tell you don't understand let alone even know anything about our religion and the origin of mankind according to it, so there's no point providing a counter argument to initiate a debate.

There's no point in knowing either. Lets all be on our way. shoo shoo
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If God knows the ending result of what will happen, what is the point of him creating us in the first place. Also, if everything has been planned/written out by God why is it that some people will still go hell, even though God knows how they'll be like in this world.
because it's made up bs
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