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Hi what degree do you recommend I do if I want to do a job related with cyber security. Should I do computer science degree then masters in cyber security after? or should I do a degree in cyber security? I am thinking of applying to ethical hacking and cyber security at Coventry university thanks
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You answered your own question.

If you know that you want to specialise in cyber security then why don't you study that as an undergraduate.

Computer Science is a broad subject that covers many bases to simplify. If I were you I'd look at the modules closely to see what applies to your career goals because they are just course titles at the end of the day. See what the actual degree is composed of so you can make a better decision and don't half research it either -- it is your life.
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2 best degrees specifically in security:

Warwick - BSc Cyber Security
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Royal Holloway - BSc Computer Science: Information Security pathway

If not either of these then do straight BSc Computer Science as you'll be able to go into anything, including security. A lot of these very niche degrees (e.g. BSc Ethical hacking) at certain universities aren't overly useful, but they get sold to people because they sound cool. Only way to be sure you're getting a great course is to apply to the 2 GCHQ accredited BSc degrees or do CS.

To summarise, a GCHQ accredited (Warwick or Royal Holloway are the only 2) security degree OR a solid Computer Science degree + an MSc in Information / Cyber Security is the way to go.

Hope this helps

Source: I have done both a BSc (at Royal Holloway) and an MSc and work as an Engineer in the Intelligence and National Security sector.
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Thank you for all you replies!
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Agree with this Coventry doesn't seem like the best choice, especially with Warwick only a few minutes down the road offering this course with GCHQ accreditation - https://warwick.ac.uk/study/undergra...y#course-tab-3

Although, the CS course at Coventry does look pretty standard in terms of modules for CS and could be useful.
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I think the 'Cyber security' degree is fraud. What type of cyber security do you want to specialise in? if you dont know this question dont even bother pursuing a Cyber security degree.

For example do you want to be an expert in Application security? Network security? Network access security?

Listen, choose your careers wisely, I know "Cyber security" sounds cool, but it is a very difficult career path to achieve in. To be the best you have to be learning constantly, and have an in-depth knowledge of all aspects of the digital world. So for example, if you want to get into network security, you need to know A LOT about networks, so it is probably better to take a "Computer networks" degree. Then do a masters or certificates in cyber security if need be.

Moreover, if you want to get into application security...well you need to know about applications and the most common coding languages used to build different applications. How do you advise companies on how to prevent an SQL injection attack if you dont know HTML5/javascript etc in depth? or if you dont know other new web tech that comes out? so probably better to do a degree that focuses on website development or coding, instead of a cyber security degree.
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(Original post by jahen6)
I think the 'Cyber security' degree is fraud. What type of cyber security do you want to specialise in? if you dont know this question dont even bother pursuing a Cyber security degree.

For example do you want to be an expert in Application security? Network security? Network access security?

Listen, choose your careers wisely, I know "Cyber security" sounds cool, but it is a very difficult career path to achieve in. To be the best you have to be learning constantly, and have an in-depth knowledge of all aspects of the digital world. So for example, if you want to get into network security, you need to know A LOT about networks, so it is probably better to take a "Computer networks" degree. Then do a masters or certificates in cyber security if need be.

Moreover, if you want to get into application security...well you need to know about applications and the most common coding languages used to build different applications. How do you advise companies on how to prevent an SQL injection attack if you dont know HTML5/javascript etc in depth? or if you dont know other new web tech that comes out? so probably better to do a degree that focuses on website development or coding, instead of a cyber security degree.
I agree with you, most of these 'specialist' security degrees are made to sound really cool and interesting but in actual fact are quite soft.

However, it depends where you do them. The 2 that I mentioned: Warwick (BSc Cyber Security) and Royal Holloway (BSc Computer Science-Information Security), as I mentioned, the only 2 in the UK that have GCHQ accreditation, are certainly very strong and broad, whilst still being specialist degrees.
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Hi what degree do you recommend I do if I want to do a job related with cyber security. Should I do computer science degree then masters in cyber security after? or should I do a degree in cyber security? I am thinking of applying to ethical hacking and cyber security at Coventry university thanks
mathreporter - there's some excellent advice in this thread. To address some of the points from above:

yt7777 has already mentioned the GCHQ/NCSC-certified undergraduate degrees, and as you might expect, we would always recommend that interested students consider those, as they are proven to be teaching relevant content to a high standard in excellent facilities, with high-quality staff. We appreciate that only two BSc degrees are currently certified, but there are also the Integrated Master's courses at RHUL & Southampton. We'll also be assessing another batch of undergraduate degrees very shortly, with the results being known in mid-late July.

The standard for our undergraduate degrees also recognises that there is a significant computing component, and allows for this.

jahen6 - saying that cyber security degrees are a fraud is somewhat of an overstatement. Of course there are many different disciplines, as there are in many subjects, e.g. medicine, chemistry, physics, geography, history etc., and different courses will cover different aspects. As you say yourself, to be the best you have to be constantly learning and developing your knowledge, and that applies in many different fields too - sums it up well.

(A good example in this field is Security Architects - here at the NCSC we run a specialist development programme for architects, and it typically takes a good graduate about 8-10 years to master the field and become fully effective).

We'll announce the newly-certified degrees as soon as we are able to, but in the meantime if anybody has any questions about our programme, please don't hesitate to ask.
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I was looking at Coventry as I will meet the grade requirements but I don’t think I will meet the requirements at Warwick
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I’m doing BTECs but I’m doing the the wrong subjects. I’m doing 3D design and IT, I’ve asked coventry and they have said they can consider me but I don’t think Warwick will. I’ve emailed them anyway to find out
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I also studied at a low progression school which means I am eligible for a lower off offer at Warwick.
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mathreporter - there's some excellent advice in this thread. To address some of the points from above:

yt7777 has already mentioned the GCHQ/NCSC-certified undergraduate degrees, and as you might expect, we would always recommend that interested students consider those, as they are proven to be teaching relevant content to a high standard in excellent facilities, with high-quality staff. We appreciate that only two BSc degrees are currently certified, but there are also the Integrated Master's courses at RHUL & Southampton. We'll also be assessing another batch of undergraduate degrees very shortly, with the results being known in mid-late July.

The standard for our undergraduate degrees also recognises that there is a significant computing component, and allows for this.

jahen6 - saying that cyber security degrees are a fraud is somewhat of an overstatement. Of course there are many different disciplines, as there are in many subjects, e.g. medicine, chemistry, physics, geography, history etc., and different courses will cover different aspects. As you say yourself, to be the best you have to be constantly learning and developing your knowledge, and that applies in many different fields too - Acsel sums it up well.

(A good example in this field is Security Architects - here at the NCSC we run a specialist development programme for architects, and it typically takes a good graduate about 8-10 years to master the field and become fully effective).

We'll announce the newly-certified degrees as soon as we are able to, but in the meantime if anybody has any questions about our programme, please don't hesitate to ask.
Hi, I was wondering when the results will be released of any new certified degrees? Thanks
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I am looking forward to make carrier in cyber security or ethical hacking what degree should i choose now
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Hi what degree do you recommend I do if I want to do a job related with cyber security. Should I do computer science degree then masters in cyber security after? or should I do a degree in cyber security? I am thinking of applying to ethical hacking and cyber security at Coventry university thanks
Hi,

I currently study Digital Media Technology at Birmingham City University and within my faculty are computing students that study Cyber Security and Computer Science. I believe the university also offers both Cyber Security and Computer Science courses at both Undergraduate and Postgraduate (Masters) level. From what my friend who studies computing here has told me I think Birmingham City University is really good for computing based courses.

Let me know if you have any other student life in Birmingham related questions as i'm sure I could help answer them.


Hope this helped,
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