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Why do so many radical leftists fail to address the substance of an argument?

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Original post by rhaegar449
LOL did you just say corporatism is a form of socialism? Are you an idiot? Corporatism is when the elite control economic policy and allocate resources based on their interests. It's economically right wing and as far from socialism as it gets, since the people get no say in the allocation of resources whereas in Capitalism they do through the invisible hand. Hope you didnt write that in your GCSE history exam.

TSR pseudo-intellectual idiots never fail to give me a good chuckle. Please do reply so I can further embarrass and humiliate you.


Corporatism is where a corporation runs everything. Read up on the Corporation, you will find out that it supports the idea of workers owning the means of production (socialism). Of course if you wish to carry on defining words as how YOU want them to be defined. That would be... fascist.

Note you did not actually refute my logic there.
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Original post by Logical_Son
Once again "I know you are, you said you are..." Corporatism is a form of socialism (ie a way of the workers to own the means of production).



Corporatism is generally used by socialists in order to point out how Kenysenism or the economic policies found in fascism is not socialist. The general critique being that a layer of state beucracy has just replaced the capitalist class as managers of the economy. It is not worker control.

There definitly is a strain on the left that deoes regard this as socialist, but they are very small now and largely discredited. There was also a load of social democrats who refered to it as socliast for poltical reasons. Labour social democrats had to appease a more radical base of suport for example. However this strain has long gone. Modern social democrats have totaly rejected such statism in favour of third way liberalism.
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Original post by ChaoticButterfly
Corporatism is generally used by socialists in order to point out how Kenysenism or the economic policies found in fascism is not socialist. The general critique being that a layer of state beucracy has just replaced the capitalist class as managers of the economy. It is not worker control.


It is. Hello yet another SPA that is just spouting opinion. Workers own the means of production through share ownership (and have voting power). Perhaps if someone other than me had actually bothered to read the fascist manifesto. Or history. Or politics. Or logic and reason.
Original post by Logical_Son
It is. Hello yet another SPA that is just spouting opinion. Workers own the means of production through share ownership (and have voting power). Perhaps if someone other than me had actually bothered to read the fascist manifesto. Or history. Or politics. Or logic and reason.


You know very little abour socialist history and thinking to warrent the level of arragance you have.
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
You know very little abour socialist history and thinking to warrent the level of arragance you have.


Your opinion. Are you denying Mussolini was a socialist? Because that is a historical fact. Care to refute what I've said or will it be more "No. Don't like it"?
Original post by Logical_Son
Your opinion. Are you denying Mussolini was a socialist?


Yes lol. You absolute tool.
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
Yes lol. You absolute tool.


http://www.historyinanhour.com/2012/07/29/benito-mussolini-socialist/

"Brash, arrogant and vain in the extreme, Benito Mussolini dreamt of making Italy a superpower, akin to the great Roman Empire of old with him at its helm. Il Duce, ‘the Leader’, as he liked to be known, ruled Italy from October 1922 to his downfall in 1943, increasing his power from that of prime minister to fascist dictator. But as a boy, Mussolini was brought up with firm socialist ideals and, as a young man, became a leading figure in Italian socialist circles."

"Why do so many radical leftists fail to address the substance of an argument?" I wonder?
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
Yes lol. You absolute tool.


This guy is so confused. Apparently left wing is fascism while right isn’t. Next thing, he will be saying that nationalism is a form of socialism.
Original post by ProRoadman
This guy is so confused. Apparently left wing is fascism while right isn’t. Next thing, he will be saying that nationalism is a form of socialism.


Oh dear, LEFT WING nationalism is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_nationalism

"Left-wing nationalism, leftist nationalism or socialist nationalism describes a form of nationalism based upon social equality (not necessary political equality), popular sovereignty and national self-determination.[1] Left-wing nationalism typically espouses anti-imperialism.[2][3] It stands in contrast to right-wing nationalism, and often rejects ethno-nationalism to this same end.[2]"

Is right wing nationalism socialist as well?
Original post by Logical_Son
Corporatism is where a corporation runs everything. Read up on the Corporation, you will find out that it supports the idea of workers owning the means of production (socialism). Of course if you wish to carry on defining words as how YOU want them to be defined. That would be... fascist.

Note you did not actually refute my logic there.


No it doesn't. I have refuted you, you've just ignored what I said.

Your persistence is commendable given how badly you've been destroyed.
Original post by Logical_Son
Oh dear, LEFT WING nationalism is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_nationalism

"Left-wing nationalism, leftist nationalism or socialist nationalism describes a form of nationalism based upon social equality (not necessary political equality), popular sovereignty and national self-determination.[1] Left-wing nationalism typically espouses anti-imperialism.[2][3] It stands in contrast to right-wing nationalism, and often rejects ethno-nationalism to this same end.[2]"

Is right wing nationalism socialist as well?


Did you read the copy-paste from wiki? It's a completely different form of nationalism. "rejects ethno-nationalism".
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
Yes lol. You absolute tool.


This guy is hilarious lmao
Original post by rhaegar449
No it doesn't. I have refuted you, you've just ignored what I said.

Your persistence is commendable given how badly you've been destroyed.


Your opinion, which is worthless considering you said that Mussolini was never a socialist (which is untrue), so nice youtube language there (destroyed(!)

Original post by rhaegar449
Did you read the copy-paste from wiki? It's a completely different form of nationalism. "rejects ethno-nationalism".


Not making any point there, sorry. You might think you are, but you thought that Mussolini was never a socialist, and you were wrong about that. Anymore SPAs?
Original post by Logical_Son
Your opinion, which is worthless considering you said that Mussolini was never a socialist (which is untrue), so nice youtube language there (destroyed(!)



Not making any point there, sorry. You might think you are, but you thought that Mussolini was never a socialist, and you were wrong about that. Anymore SPAs?


Mussolini may have been a "socialist" but socialists rejected him and he began to preach fascism and corporatism which is completely different as i've pointed out. His past in other words is irrelevant given that is not what he's know for nor did he enact.

And the fact that you think corporatism lets the workers allocate the resources is f*cking hilarious. Your stupidity really knows no bounds.

As I said, hope you didnt let your ego and arrogance write this utter sh8t in your GCSE history exam or you'll be waking up to results day with a nasty surprise.
Original post by rhaegar449
Mussolini may have been a "socialist" but socialists rejected him and he began to preach fascism and corporatism which is completely different as i've pointed out. His past in other words is irrelevant given that is not what he's know for nor did he enact.

And the fact that you think corporatism lets the workers allocate the resources is f*cking hilarious. Your stupidity really knows no bounds.

As I said, hope you didnt let your ego and arrogance write this utter sh8t in your GCSE history exam or you'll be waking up to results day with a nasty surprise.


So, why did you think Mussolini was not a socialist, when he was, why are you now back treading and using abuse? Not all the socialists rejected him (Hitlers socialists liked him, but Mussolini didn't like them). All you are doing here is saying "No it's not", that's not debate.

Also I did my GCSEs before Blair was in power. Before he destroyed the education system, producing kids without the ability to think critically.
Original post by Logical_Son
So, why did you think Mussolini was not a socialist, when he was, why are you now back treading and using abuse? Not all the socialists rejected him (Hitlers socialists liked him, but Mussolini didn't like them). All you are doing here is saying "No it's not", that's not debate.

Also I did my GCSEs before Blair was in power. Before he destroyed the education system, producing kids without the ability to think critically.


Mussolini was not a socialist because he supported the war and after the war, founded a fascist party and became a fascist, preaching corporatism and state control. Corporatism is further away from socialism as capitalism is to socialism.

You are not a critical thinker, you're an old arrogant egotistical idiot who's simply not educated. The fact that someone of your age is on the internet is talking this much rubbish online is concerning.
Original post by ProRoadman
This guy is so confused. Apparently left wing is fascism while right isn’t. Next thing, he will be saying that nationalism is a form of socialism.


It's a standard anti-communist line that fascism = socialism. Considering all the legit reasons you can bring up build an anti-communist case it is bizzar and somewhat telling they always come up with this lazy argument. It's just a gut emotional response if you don 't like socialism because you see it as anti-freedom. A far cry from the dedication to logic and rationality that they alway fetisize in themselves.

Fascism fighting and encorporating socialist movements is well documented in history. Fascism and Socialism did often overlap and the two fought for control over working class political expression. This does not however mean they are the same thing. There is real history than equates the two (eg horsheo theories) but there is equally a lot of history that rubbishes this idea of equivelance. You can abolutely make the case that fascists like Franco were not socialists :rolleyes:
Original post by rhaegar449
Mussolini was not a socialist because he supported the war and after the war, founded a fascist party and became a fascist, preaching corporatism and state control. Corporatism is further away from socialism as capitalism is to socialism.

You are not a critical thinker, you're an old arrogant egotistical idiot who's simply not educated. The fact that someone of your age is on the internet is talking this much rubbish online is concerning.


He is an example of someone so used to being in their bubble. When they are faced with real facts, they just block their ears and repeat their views cause they can’t handle the truth.
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Original post by ProRoadman
He is an example of someone so used to being in their bubble. When they are faced with real facts, they just block their ears and repeat their views cause they can’t handle the truth.


You an AUTHORITY on that? Keep on spouting those opinions. Fascists have no need for reason.
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Original post by ProRoadman
He is an example of someone so used to being in their bubble. When they are faced with real facts, they just block their ears and repeat their views cause they can’t handle the truth.


Yes, he managed to get me confused too.

The right wing are very arrogant, they always have a habit of throwing around words and make up bizarre concepts (like the left invented fascism) and they're really doing themselves a disservice. There's a very good reason why more educated people dont lean that way.

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