Finally the Purge (Brexit) Has begun

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-gdp-over-the-last-two-millennia

Original post by Realitysreflexx

Our World in Data is great isn't it.

1950 = $9.25 Trillion
2015 = $108 Trillion
Growth = 108/9.25 = x11.6 growth not x100

And what's the population done in that time?

PS. I thought you didn't like GDP as a measure...??

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Axiomasher

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It's not impossible that there'll end up being an actual breakaway party from the Tories, either pro or anti EU depending on how things pan out.

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OP

Original post by Doonesbury

Our World in Data is great isn't it.

1950 = $9.25 Trillion
2015 = $108 Trillion
Growth = 108/9.25 = x11.6 growth not x100

And what's the population done in that time?

PS. I thought you didn't like GDP as a measure...??

I dont, but you desperately wanted a chart. i couldnt resist, glad to see you've corrected us both now apparently its 11.6x not your intial 6.1 estimate.

Reply 44

Jacque Inaboques

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Original post by that_guy874

Democracy is about compromise, especially with a result like this.

We both know that there would have been no compromise had the result been 52:48 for remain. We'd never have heard another word on the matter. "Democracy would have spoken".

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OP

Jeremy Hunt! The man hunting to be foreign secretary! Confirmed.

Reply 46

Doones

Original post by Realitysreflexx

I dont, but you desperately wanted a chart. i couldnt resist, glad to see you've corrected us both now apparently its 11.6x not your intial 6.1 estimate.

Nope. Do it Per Capita...

And x6 is somewhat closer to x11 than x100 is. Your maths really is terrible.

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OP

Original post by Doonesbury

Nope. Do it Per Capita...

And x6 is somewhat closer to x11 than x100 is. Your maths really is terrible.

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It might be closer but wrong is wrong, your ability to not admit a miscalculation due to pride is world class.

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joelcarter

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Original post by AlwaysConcerned

The other 48% should not however be ignored

You clearly don't understand how a referendum works.

Reply 49

Doones

Original post by Realitysreflexx

It might be closer but wrong is wrong, your ability to not admit a miscalculation due to pride is world class.

Apples and pears. Do it per capita.

Edit: like this...
World population
1950 : 2.53 billion with GDP of $9.25 trillion = $3,656 GDP per capita
2015 : 7.35 billion with GDP of $108 trillion = $14,693 GDP per capita
= a growth of x4

Turns out I was 50% too optimistic with x6 whereas you were 2500% too optimistic.

https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth

(edited 5 years ago)

Reply 50

RickHendricks

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Country is tearing itself apart because some petty voters refuse to put their differences aside and work together.

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OP

Original post by RickHendricks

Country is tearing itself apart because some petty voters refuse to put their differences aside and work together.

Well if the foreign secretary resigns because something "sticks in the throat" the UK population should have never voted about such a complex issue.

Leave and Remain

Was never as simple as simply checking a box.

Not after 40 years of economic, political, social interdependence.

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RickHendricks

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Original post by Realitysreflexx

Well if the foreign secretary resigns because something "sticks in the throat" the UK population should have never voted about such a complex issue.

Leave and Remain

Was never as simple as simply checking a box.

Not after 40 years of economic, political, social interdependence.

No, but the fact that the vote had been done should have been put aside and people should have stopped moaning about the results.
This wouldn't have had happened if all the MPs had worked towards a common goal of leaving (as the 52%) instead of trying to sabotage it every moment. Or even not have done anything right from the start since a 52:48 isn't much of a difference.

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Axiomasher

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Original post by RickHendricks

Country is tearing itself apart because some petty voters refuse to put their differences aside and work together.

The problem is that leaving the EU can be in all kinds of different terms.

The choice should have been:

1) Remain.
2) Hard (no agreed terms) Brexit.
3) Soft (negotiated arrangements) Brexit.
4) Cluster-frack of confusion Brexit.
5) What is Brexit?

Reply 54

StriderHort

Original post by Axiomasher

The problem is that leaving the EU can be in all kinds of different terms.

The choice should have been:

1) Remain.
2) Hard (no agreed terms) Brexit.
3) Soft (negotiated arrangements) Brexit.
4) Cluster-frack of confusion Brexit.
5) What is Brexit?

Good god no! that would have meant explaining both that there were differences and what those differences were! :tongue:

Bloody lunacy trying to decide something so drastic and complicated on a simple majority, I suspect in the vast majority of similar votes a 2/3rds or 75% majority would be required for matters of such long term change, EXACTLY to avoid the situation we have now where pretty much everyone feels done over or threatened somehow. Much as id have liked the result to have been 52% remain it would still have caused the same problems, Europhobe MPs & Leave certainly wouldn't have just meekly accepted it. The entire process has been farcically flawed from step 1 with left and right mugged alike by the same rich people who own things as always.

Actually given how total cockup horrendous the whole thing is any foot soldiers continuing to believe in it's progress are starting to meet the proverbial definition of insanity, doing the same thing and expecting a different result? lets face it, so far exit negotiations have essentially been

'Norway? - no.'
'Super Norway? - no.'
'Norway? - no'
Canada Norway?' - no'
'Norway? - no'
'Cake? ...ect...ect.

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PilgrimOfTruth

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Original post by Realitysreflexx

Well if the foreign secretary resigns because something "sticks in the throat" the UK population should have never voted about such a complex issue.

Leave and Remain

Was never as simple as simply checking a box.

Not after 40 years of economic, political, social interdependence.

Really? . . . .

Interesting that such a complex and life changing decision to go into the EU in the first place never saw a referendum and then once corrupt politicians had actually signed the UK to the EU (under the disguise of the Common Market) they then offered a referendum asking if people now wanted to stay in the common market.

The whole thing is a total sham and a purposeful destruction of the British sovereignty along with its justice system. It's a war conducted by stealth by Freemasonry and Common Purpose.

The populous voted to leave the EU.

Leave we must

Totally, absolutely, properly. No fudge, no half-in half-out BS. Leave. End of.

Reply 56

Fullofsurprises

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Original post by Pantera Fan Club

I wonder where we'll get our £350 million a week to fund the NHS. Definitely not from the Airbus factory.

Under the current Tory Brexit plan, it will be delivered to us in the form of chlorinated chickens from the USA.

The programme will be known as "lend-fleece".

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Fullofsurprises

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Original post by StriderHort

Good god no! that would have meant explaining both that there were differences and what those differences were! :tongue:

Bloody lunacy trying to decide something so drastic and complicated on a simple majority, I suspect in the vast majority of similar votes a 2/3rds or 75% majority would be required for matters of such long term change, EXACTLY to avoid the situation we have now where pretty much everyone feels done over or threatened somehow. Much as id have liked the result to have been 52% remain it would still have caused the same problems, Europhobe MPs & Leave certainly wouldn't have just meekly accepted it. The entire process has been farcically flawed from step 1 with left and right mugged alike by the same rich people who own things as always.

Actually given how total cockup horrendous the whole thing is any foot soldiers continuing to believe in it's progress are starting to meet the proverbial definition of insanity, doing the same thing and expecting a different result? lets face it, so far exit negotiations have essentially been

'Norway? - no.'
'Super Norway? - no.'
'Norway? - no'
Canada Norway?' - no'
'Norway? - no'
'Cake? ...ect...ect.

Agreed about the lunacy of the referendum and let's not even get started on it being 'decided' by a margin that most elections in most countries would demand a recount on.

On the actual type of Brexit, there have only ever been two possibilities that can work, either (1) we stay in the Single Market and continue to pay fees, but lose our right to have a say in the rules or (2) we crash out altogether.

The Tories seem in reality to be wedded to (2) despite trying to sneak in a 1 and a half solution. The 'middle way' in the current May plan doesn't exist in the real world.

If the EU were willing to show genuine flexibility on (1) and allow it without free movement, that would have satisfied most people - but they weren't before the referendum and they appear not to be now, even though internally within Europe, they are all now moving towards restricting free movement after the fact. Very strange.

If we are going for a hard departure, we should have taken much longer to figure everything out and activated Article 50 only when it was all sorted. As things stand now, we are heading to the worst of all possible worlds - a hard crashout after the EU reject the latest Tory proposals, but with no time to prepare.

This will cause, amongst other things:

- massive disruption for UK travel abroad, airlines will not have access to the EU

- food shortages in many areas, some of the chronic

- probably shortages of critical pharma products, some life threatening

- surging unemployment, severe civil disorder

- breakdowns in UK relations with many other countries across the world, including new trade barriers to our products as all the main players will prefer to trade with the EU than us

- collapses in key industries, wholesale departures of companies

All of this will ensue after March next year.

The situation does not look good. Even Daniel Hannan has confirmed the above and he is an ardent hard crash supporter. Patrick Minford, the leading intellectual Thatcherite and an inspiration to the hard crash out people, is predicting that all of British manufacturing will be destroyed. That's around 5-6m jobs at least.

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Medrat

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Quote from the recent British Attitudes Survey - "We are more Eurosceptic than ever, with long term trends in Euroscepticism continuing to rise after the referendum in June 2016".
http://www.bsa.natcen.ac.uk/media/39149/bsa34_brexit_final.pdf The graph suggests a general trend toward Euroscepticism that has been building for a while, certainly before July 2016, implying that a) the referendum outcome wasn't a 'knee-jerk' reaction or some kind of mistake on one hot summer's day b) people are voting with intention (they know what they are voting for).

(edited 5 years ago)

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