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In the past that was how it was. But I don't really see either as standing for any particular 'class' these days...
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The Conservative party is led by a ****ing clown.
The Labour party is led by a ****ing clown.

To understand why things are this way in British politics, you just need to understand that politicians are a reflection of the people who voted for them.
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Traditionally used to be that way, but now it's more like whatever policies win the votes - whether the party can deliver on the promise or not, whilst trying not to alienate (unsuccessfully) the old camps.

New Labour (Blair's party) went more to the right (embracing Tory capitalist doctrines) to occupy the middle ground which was the domain of the Liberals and Lib-Dems. The Conservatives have now attempted to occupy that ground pushing Labour back towards the left working classes. More specifically, Labour are appealing to the immigrant influx but are on dodgy ground because many of their original working-class core voters wanted Brexit specifically because of losing unskilled jobs to the low-wage immigrant influx. Which divides the party because Corbyn (Labour leader) is anti EU and the new young and immigrant voters are pretty much pro. Which gives Labour the same problem as the Tories with internal conflict rife.

Labour are also playing the NHS and private industry re-nationalisation card as well as selling the scraping of university tuition fees. Trouble is, they will have to borrow enormous sums to accomplish it, so it's basically fiscal lies in the same way UKIP manipulated the vote.

Couple this with the Tories effectively in a coalition with the Northern Irish Democratic Union Party and the current one--trick-pony Scottish National Party carrying a significant number of seats in the House and then Mr Trump is spot on when he said the UK is in turmoil.
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Habit or apathy mostly, they don't bother much trying to connect with voters now, they just sit there like a toilet that won't flush.
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Politicians are like salesmen. They sell what people want to hear. There is hardly any difference between Labour and the Tories now.
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That is a great question. Let me know when you find out. Right now, the Conservatives are completely consumed by Europe and Brexit. Everything else can go hang. So they are basically fighting amongst themselves over what we should negotiate with the EU regarding the leaving of Europe.

Labour on the other hand are generally more socialist, but because the Labour leader is generally pro Brexit, there is no opposition to the bun fight going on the the Tory ranks. So we have one party fighting amongst itself and the other sitting quietly on the sidelines. Meanwhile our health service, education, social care, social services, police and military are all in crisis over funding cuts and no one is going anything about it.
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No the conservatives benefit the very wealthy and don’t care about anyone.

Labour benefits minorities and perhaps liberal, middle class public sector workers. But they also actively hate the WWC.

However there’s also a lot of crossover between the two parties. This crossover is encapsulated by the Liberal Democrat Party who want to benefit the very wealthy AND hate the WWC.

The Green Party is the Labour Party for hipsters

Ukip is some sort of cult where everyone thinks the 80s was a peak moment in history. Sadly, they’re probably the best option at the moment.,
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Watch any bad reality TV show and it gives you a pretty good idea of the politics here. That is to say, a bunch of people who don't have a clue what they are doing saying what they think the audience(voting public) want to hear in an effort to get voted in. They have no idea idea how to run a country, no intention of doing anything beneficial and are only interested in keeping their jobs as long as possible. Its why our political parties have become so homogeneous and have slowly been moving towards centre until now when they are both basically the same but have a few small areas where they differ.

I think its a general thing with modern democracy, for the most part. It has become a situation where whats best for the country has become secondary to whats best for keeping their jobs. The pandering to the crowd even if means ruining a country.

Sad but true.
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There's the Tories who are all about business, personal freedoms and common sense. Then there's Labour who are all about being wrong.
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I’ve got some links at the bottom you should take a look at burrito.

Basically, you have got it right, Labour has always been for the working class and youth, and conservatives the older and middle/upper class, but at the minute Labour and the Tories are in chaos and it’s frankly been thrown out of the window. Labour is extremely divided and cannot agree with a brexit deal, and the Tories have a very bad deal.
Remainers do not want a deal and want brexit to be “stopped”. Leavers think the deal is trash and needs to be more extreme (1). Remainers want a second referendum, which will, tear the U.K. apart (2). Leavers obviously do not want this.
The conservatives have been talked to be islamophobic, but it’s mostly been talked about in the Guardian (supports labour all the way). Labour are known to be anti-Semitic, possibly stemming from their anti-Israel pro Palestine stance. The opposite with conservatives, but labour are a lot more aggressive.




(1) https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...043152897?s=21
(2) https://www.ft.com/content/c1fea488-...f-67ac3a6482fd
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British Politics: Hogwarts has a bunfight.
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We're too worked up about Brexit to think about any other policies right now, check back in about 9 months from now.
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Conservatives- more right wing, believe in lower taxes and more austerity
Labour - more left wing, believe in higher taxes for the rich and investing a lot of money in the NHS and education system (basically the opposite of austerity)

Conservatives are seen as benefiting middle and upper classes more and negatively affecting poorer people however both parties have the goal to improve social mobility and benefit everyone - they just have differing opinions on how this should be achieved.
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Many a true word spoken in jest?

Yes, Minister "The devil you know" (1981)
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Basically:
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It's basically just Brexit at the moment - that's all anyone cares about. In about 5 years time the cabinet will start thinking about running the country again.
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