Trade deal with US virtually impossible now/ Trump

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Realitysreflexx
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news....-deal-11435355


The king of populism also calls for a full johnson! Boris for PM.

I think he should be banned from speaking permanently, hes not european, so why mix in european affairs. "I am not the leader of Paris im the President of the US" then why come over here and try to insert PM's?
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In an explosive intervention, the US president told The Sun: "If they do a deal like that, we would be dealing with the European Union instead of dealing with the UK, so it will probably kill the deal."
Maybe he meant that if the UK remains under the EU's economic umbrella it won't have the autonomy to strike a deal with the US on its own and therefore there could be no such thing. That looks factually correct and no matter of opinion to me, maybe the Sun and/or Sky are being too explosive in their quest for a feed. The whole piece is about nothing worthy of note, really.
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If a fat reality TV star who is a serial liar and boasts about groping women can become president, Boris Johnson becoming PM is not that unrealistic.
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(Original post by zhog)
Maybe he meant that if the UK remains under the EU's economic umbrella it won't have the autonomy to strike a deal with the US on its own and therefore there could be no such thing. That looks factually correct and no matter of opinion to me, maybe the Sun and/or Sky are being too explosive in their quest for a feed. The whole piece is about nothing worthy of note, really.
No this is called real world - Britain is an insignificant trading partner to the US compared to behemoths like the EU ergo we are far down the line. Obama said this, numerous officials in both Westminster and Washington have said this and indeed members of his cabinet have said this.
Anyone who is still delusional enough to think the US will treat Britain with any sort of respect or even attempt to strike a good deal with them is utterly out of their minds.
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It is great that Trump has intervened here. He wants to do a deal with us but can't if we do the ugly deal May is proposing. There's nothing wrong with telling us that. It is not a threat.

Compare this to Obama telling us we'd be back of the line. Trump is hinting that we'd be at the front.
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What is there to lose by signing trade deals that could make goods outside of the EU cheaper for us to buy? Before the detractors say "standards", remember the Dutch egg scandal - the eu can't even uphold their own standards.
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(Original post by Napp)
No this is called real world - Britain is an insignificant trading partner to the US compared to behemoths like the EU ergo we are far down the line. Obama said this, numerous officials in both Westminster and Washington have said this and indeed members of his cabinet have said this.
Anyone who is still delusional enough to think the US will treat Britain with any sort of respect or even attempt to strike a good deal with them is utterly out of their minds.
Well, that may be the real world for you but I still think that if we're barred to strike our own deals after Brexit it will be hard to strike one with the US directly. That seems to be what Trump said, despite the frantic pouring of the media over every sentence and sensationalisation of it for a buck.
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(Original post by zhog)
Well, that may be the real world for you but I still think that if we're barred to strike our own deals after Brexit it will be hard to strike one with the US directly. That seems to be what Trump said, despite the frantic pouring of the media over every sentence and sensationalisation of it for a buck.
Well if he actually knew how to comfort himself like a real person it wouldn’t be an issue.
At any rate who says a trade ‘deal’ with America is a good thing? Little Britain will be steamrolled by those vandals in Washington. One of the best things about the eu is it’s large enough to be able to tell Washington to **** themselves when they make outrageous demands. If you’d take a look at some of the demands of the trade agreement with the Americans you’ll notice they are thoroughly damaging to uk citizens and business.
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You're never going to get any sort of fair trade deal by abjectly grovelling to someone who doesn't like you. Common bloody negotiating sense

It's another barbed nail in the ol' Brexcoffin at least. Another free trade fantasy shown up for what it is.
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The thing is Trump meant that with the Brexit UK either should move forward or backward. Without dancing around like "oh we are leaving, but at the same time we are not leaving" and so on.

Boris Johnson has resigned partly due to that.
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No mandate for a hard Brexit, and never was one (and it pretty much toppled the goverment's majority when they tried)

Soft Brexit was never an option, EU made that v clear on day 1 and it's clear they'll stick to it.

So for now they'll just keep screaming and resigning till they have to admit it's going to be option 3, Brexit can't be democratically done.
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(Original post by zhog)
Maybe he meant that if the UK remains under the EU's economic umbrella it won't have the autonomy to strike a deal with the US on its own and therefore there could be no such thing. That looks factually correct and no matter of opinion to me, maybe the Sun and/or Sky are being too explosive in their quest for a feed. The whole piece is about nothing worthy of note, really.
(Original post by ukrj)
It is great that Trump has intervened here. He wants to do a deal with us but can't if we do the ugly deal May is proposing. There's nothing wrong with telling us that. It is not a threat.

Compare this to Obama telling us we'd be back of the line. Trump is hinting that we'd be at the front.
May's proposal does allow us to strike our own free trade deals. However, we wouldn't be able to lower our standards, which is why the United States are saying that we would be unlikely to be able to do a free trade deal with them.

(Original post by hello_shawn)
What is there to lose by signing trade deals that could make goods outside of the EU cheaper for us to buy? Before the detractors say "standards", remember the Dutch egg scandal - the eu can't even uphold their own standards.
Free trade deals are, by and large, excellent. In the European Economic Area (EEA), we would stay in the Single Market but leave the Customs Union, and would be able to sign our own free trade deals and apply our own tariffs on third countries. This allows us to do free trade deals with the rest of the world whilst keeping intact the best "free trade agreement" we've ever had, namely membership of the Single Market.

Indeed, it's crucial to note that free trade agreements with the rest of the world simply won't make up for the costs associated with leaving the Single Market. Thanks to the 'Global Britain' crowd, Britain is now having to grovel to the United States to get a free trade agreement that will have a minimal impact on future growth (according to our own government analyses), because we're interpreting the result of an advisory referendum as meaning that we have to abandon our far more beneficial free trade agreement with the European Union.
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He's right.
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(Original post by Realitysreflexx)
I think he should be banned from speaking permanently, hes not european, so why mix in european affairs.
Didn't you say you were German-American yesterday?

Regardless, acting surprised that the leader of the most powerful and imperialistic country in the world is getting involved in non-domestic politics just displays your ignorance. What do you think they've been doing before Trump?

Americans have muddled in EU affairs from the very beginning, often threatening countries with implied sanctions unless they got their way - even Obama did it with Brexit and Ukraine, for instance. Trump's 'meddling' here is nothing on the scale of American imperialism - so why is all the outrage is directed at Trump the man rather than America the nation?

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(Original post by hello_shawn)
What is there to lose by signing trade deals that could make goods outside of the EU cheaper for us to buy? Before the detractors say "standards", remember the Dutch egg scandal - the eu can't even uphold their own standards.
The US under the liberal mainstream elites have been signing trade deals for years that make goods cheaper for Americans to buy - cheap imports from Mexico etc.

This has undercut American businesses and put American workers out of jobs.

Fortunately the workers of America now have a champion who actually puts American jobs first and he is pulling the US out of these deals.

If only the UK would have a champion who would be willing to walk away from any trade deal, with the US or otherwise, that would threaten to undercut UK jobs by bringing in cheap imports from abroad....
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He has now disavowed these statements and called the interview In the Sun 'fake news'.

He apparently didn't realise he was being recorded and that the recording has been played on radio numerous times already today.

What a ****ing moron.
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Trumps pro-Brexit and can see Theresa May is weak, and wants a soft-Brexit which isn't what people voted for.
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(Original post by IrlHobbit)
Trumps pro-Brexit and can see Theresa May is weak, and wants a soft-Brexit which isn't what people voted for.
This old chestnut. The only certain thing they voted for was the act of leaving, but not the terms. A lot of people seem to have different ideas. the whole referendum and the last two years have been a mess.

It will be hard brexit by default and then we will see what happens.
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Trade isn't impossible. When the world embraces socialism everything will be fine.
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(Original post by Manoftheworld1)
Trade isn't impossible. When the world embraces socialism everything will be fine.
In real socialism, there wouldnt be any trade lmao.
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