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Identifying as a gender does not mean you are that gender.

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There is no such thing as manbrain or ladybrain.

However your psyche works, is irrelevant. Gender is nothing but a particular part of your personality abused for political purposes.

Um yes there is. Males and females have different brain structures and due to how some babies develop in the womb, some babies will develop a more masculine brain but a female body and vice versa. This is what causes some girls to be tomboys and in extreme cases it's what causes people to be transgender. There's no point in arguing with me because this is factual, not a matter of opinion. Also, no it's not just an aspect of your personality. Being a tomboy is an aspect of your personality but being transgender is different. You're obviously completely uneducated but people who transgender experience gender dysphoria which is a direct result of their brains not marching their bodies. Before you go commenting places at least make sure you know a decent amount about the subject

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yudothis

Original post by Nihilisticb*tch

Not a Singlen scientist has ever shown something like a ‘ladybrain exists’. Why are you lying? You sound like trump, call the truth fake and you’re lies “fact”.

The entire concept of gender is. And first you say it’s an extreme case but later suddenly you say it’s totally different. There’s no logic to your argument either.

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Nihilisticb*tch

Original post by yudothis

I didn't contradict myself at all. Some girls end up as tomboys because of how they are formed in the womb but the extreme of this effect is what causes someone to be transgender. A tomboy is not transgender as they do not experience gender dysphoria.

As for your assertion that what I'm saying hasn't been proven, here is a link to an article that explains it and provides citations:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/22/transgender-brain-scans-promised-study-shows-structural-differences/

If you're still doing to deny it after I've provided you with evidence then there's no hope for you.

Reply 283

yudothis

Original post by Nihilisticb*tch

You provided a telegraph article as scientific proof. I’m outta here.

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InArduisFouette

Original post by yudothis

You provided a telegraph article as scientific proof. I’m outta here.

where as you quote the discredited Pariah Blanchard , misusing a diagnostic criteria abandoned decades ago

Reply 285

Axiomasher

Original post by BrianMcEgg

I identify as a teapot and I am offended by this.

Do you though, do you really identify as a teapot? How does that identification manifest itself in your daily life?

Reply 286

ChaoticButterfly

Original post by yudothis

You provided a telegraph article as scientific proof. I’m outta here.

The telegraph did not carry out the research.

Reply 287

ChaoticButterfly

Original post by yudothis

There is no such thing as manbrain or ladybrain.

However your psyche works, is irrelevant. Gender is nothing but a particular part of your personality abused for political purposes.

This is exaclty what the post modernists say.

Gender is purley a product of society so anyone can, in thoery, be any gender. If you think this why are you such a conservative?

Reply 288

yudothis

Original post by ChaoticButterfly

This is exaclty what the post modernists say.

Gender is purley a product of society so anyone can, in thoery, be any gender. If you think this why are you such a conservative?

I am not a conservative. I have my own views on topics. Sometimes it happens to align with conservatives, sometimes with liberals, sometimes with neither.

It is exactly one of the problems in today's world that everyone has one side and sticks to the dogma of their side relentlessly. It controls people and shuts down critical thinking within groups.

Gender doesn't exist. Personality does. Gender stereotypes are a product of society. Do you remember that gender spectrum nonsense chart? On one side you had a barbie and on the other GI Joe. A boy can play with barbies without being told "you're a girl" and a girl can play with GI Joe without being told "you're a boy" (as such most of these people actually strongly propagate gender stereotypes). But that is exactly what is happening with children. Being gender non-conforming puts you on the trans path.

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͡° ͜ʖ ͡°

Original post by Stiff Little Fingers

Eh, identity and your sense of self is what you are. For a parallel - nationality, I was born in England to Scottish parents, if Scotland had gone independent I'd almost certainly by entitled to dual nationality: but in terms of who I am - I'm a Scot; and except when I'm bantering with English friends about how **** youse are at football, no-one bats an eyelid - my national identity is who I am, that's not controversial. Why should it be with gender, which could be considered as your neurological sex?

For one, Scottish or English you still use the same bathroom assigned to your gender.

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Stiff Little Fingers

Original post by ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°

For one, Scottish or English you still use the same bathroom assigned to your gender.

So, what part of "for a parallel" did you not understand? What aspect of explaining identity was too complicated?

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͡° ͜ʖ ͡°

Original post by Stiff Little Fingers

So, what part of "for a parallel" did you not understand? What aspect of explaining identity was too complicated?

I'm afraid you might not be aware of the definition of the word ''parallel'' and that it relates to things/matters that have some correlation, similarity or comparability in common.

Stating that you're a Scotsman instead of an Englishman is not the same as stating that you're a woman instead of a man. Your opinion is your right but you have to accept reality.

Comparison between the two is unreasonable and unjustified because implications that stem from the two are incomparable and dangerous.

If you were born a man, you are a man. If you were born a woman, you are a woman. If you were born in England, you are English. Being eligible for a Scottish nationality and adopting it does not make you Scottish. You would still be as English as you are right now, and not anymore Scottish.

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snowman77

Original post by username3457004

I can in theory identify as anything I please, but does that mean I am that something? Absolutely not. Prove me wrong.

Then it begs the question, how do we define these different types of genders? For example, how can I spot a "two spirited person" gender and all those other nonsense genders that were made up by middle class teenagers on tumblr with too much time on their hands?

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Stiff Little Fingers

Original post by ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°

Literally all of this post is utter crap, so I'll explain in smaller words in case that helps: saying nationality is different to what would be assumed from which hospital I was born in is uncontroversial, literally just accepted because we're talking about self perception. The same applies to gender, as gender is not the same as sex, it shouldn't be controversial that it can be different to what would be assumed from sex. But instead people need to go into an unfounded moral panic...

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anarchism101

Original post by ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°

If you were born in England, you are English. Being eligible for a Scottish nationality and adopting it does not make you Scottish. You would still be as English as you are right now, and not anymore Scottish.

By that logic, Richard Dawkins is Kenyan, John McCain is Panamanian, and Rudolf Hess was Egyptian, since those were the countries they were born in.

(edited 5 years ago)

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AngryJellyfish

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Original post by anarchism101

Also, there's no such thing as "being eligible for Scottish nationality" at the moment, as Scotland isn't an independent country.

To be fair, SLF's original example used the hypothetical scenario of Scotland declaring independence.

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anarchism101

Original post by AngryJellyfish

To be fair, SLF's original example used the hypothetical scenario of Scotland declaring independence.

Fair point, my mistake.

Reply 297

Axiomasher

Original post by yudothis

...Gender doesn't exist. Personality does. Gender stereotypes are a product of society....

Gender isn't just a form of personality though, it's a specific relationship (in terms of identity and behaviour) to biological sex and the conventional impulses, expectations and associations with biological sex but which, crucially, is not actually determined by them. Having a vagina is a matter of biological sex, having a strong sense of 'being female' despite being, biologically, a man is a matter of gender. You're pretty much flying in the face of all the mainstream scholarship in all relevant fields on this as right-wingers tend to. You remind me of those climate-change sceptics, fingers in ears.

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yudothis

Original post by Axiomasher

Gender isn't just a form of personality though, it's a specific relationship (in terms of identity and behaviour) to biological sex

How? What does "I 'identify' as a man" even mean? Man, or woman, have clear definitions that have nothing to do with identity. You either are or aren't.

and the conventional impulses, expectations and associations with biological sex

So this relates to behavior in the bracket above. This is nothing but stereotypes.

but which, crucially, is not actually determined by them.

Determined by what. What is them? The "impulses, expectations and associations" Of course not, that would make your logic circular. Since this is crucial to your argument, make it more clear.

Having a vagina is a matter of biological sex, having a strong sense of 'being female' despite being, biologically, a man is a matter of gender.

Yes it is personality. Whether you want to wear a dress or not, play with dolls or more physical games, that's your personality, your interests and preferences. Stereotypes associate that with male or female (as you call it, relationship to biological sex). And is what you call gender.

All those males coming out as women and saying stuff like "I knew I was a woman the first time I put on heels" are associating certain behavior with "woman". But that's on them. Woman is a biological reality. Whatever society has constructed around what women supposedly do and how they act, is just stereotypes. There is no such thing as "feeling female". It's an oxymoron. It is furthermore incredibly insulting, particularly to women, to say what makes 'woman' is just a feeling. It suggests they could identify out of oppression. It suggests women's sports is meaningless, they could just identify as being male. Additionally, everyone will have a unique "relationship" to their biological sex. This makes a definition of woman a) subjective and b) impossible to group every actual woman into it. This is evidenced by the fact that many trans activists think of butch lesbians as simply transmen in denial. To them, butch women aren't women. Only stereotypical 'feminine' women, are actually women.

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You're pretty much flying in the face of all the mainstream scholarship in all relevant fields on this as right-wingers tend to. You remind me of those climate-change sceptics, fingers in ears.

You remind me of flat earthers. Believe surgery and hormones constitutes a sex change.

Reply 299

Axiomasher

Original post by yudothis

How? What does "I 'identify' as a man" even mean?...

It's hard to know what level of explanation you need given that you can't see what is widely understood by the scholarly community and by most reasonably educated people in mainstream society. People identify as 'being' a person which fits the conventions associated with biological sex, at least most do, that's gender identity right there. You keep making reference to stereotypes but that's simply a reflection of the fact that there are, essentially, two sexes and the great majority of people are socialised into binary conventions of what it means to 'be' male or female. Maybe you're just hostile to the science of psychology generally (because it's a bit 'fuzzy'?) but humans are psychological animals, the relatively big brain is a clue.You might as well try and argue that 'identity' of any kind isn't 'real' because it's just about 'feelz' and 'feelz' aren't real. I'm not going to guess how old you are are or where you're at with your education generally but my suggestion would be for you to come back to this subject after a couple of years of reading and contemplation. You're just repeatedly humiliating yourself on this topic right now, even if you can't see it..