The Russian Royal Family ... 100 Years On

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Remembering ...
The Russian Imperial Family, the former Emperor and Tsar Nicholas II
(reigned : 1894 - 1917) of the Romanov dynasty, their doctor and their servants … 100 Years On.
17 July 2018.
There are apparently different perceptions of and opinions on Nicholas II and his rule .. and I do not personally know for certain, what the case had been during those years .. however I am remembering him, and the others who died with him, today.
They were killed, apparently by or on the order of the Bolsheviks - by then the new governing party in Russia. It is alleged that Vladimir Lenin's, (the new leader's) [secret] signature was on the relevant document. The possible reason or motive for the execution could be that, allegedly, the counter revolutionary forces or those loyal to the old regime, were advancing on the city the Royal Family were being detained in, and they could apparently free the former Imperial Family and rally around them, so to speak. Which could be detrimental to the new regime.
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What would you say are the achievements of Nicholas II or his reign ?
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What would you say are the achievements of Nicholas II or his reign ?
Whilst still being a totalitarian regime Nicholas ll did bring in a lot of reforms and liberalise the government. He also created a parliament or duma.
However maybe the Bolsheviks saw this as a weakness and maybe his own loyal followers deserted him seeing that he was betraying Russia. (Loyalist effectively being the far right). Without popular support like that the regime became weak.

Had the Russian royal family survived and remained in power, its questionable if there would have been more reforms and a move towards democracy. However it’s likely Russia would have remained a poor backward country even to this day. Stalin was the one who turned Russia from a third world country to a powerful superpower,
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How, would you say, have Nicholas II and his reign changed the world or contributed to the world ?
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Whilst still being a totalitarian regime Nicholas ll did bring in a lot of reforms and liberalise the government. He also created a parliament or duma.
However maybe the Bolsheviks saw this as a weakness and maybe his own loyal followers deserted him seeing that he was betraying Russia. (Loyalist effectively being the far right). Without popular support like that the regime became weak.
Thank you. That is a good contribution.
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[QUOTE=Ambitious1999;78858664

Had the Russian royal family survived and remained in power, its questionable if there would have been more reforms and a move towards democracy. However it’s likely Russia would have remained a poor backward country even to this day. Stalin was the one who turned Russia from a third world country to a powerful superpower,[/QUOTE]

However, Russia was apparently a strong state and more or less powerful during the last century or decades of the monrachy too, not only under Stalin'r rule. After all, since 1721 it was an Empire. But a fair and good contribution again. What would you say would most likely be the course of Russian history if - after the fall of the monarchy in 1917 - instead of the Bolsheviks, Lenin and then Stalin, the Provisional (and then Permanent?) government had remained in place, the October Revolution had never taken place and in other words, history had taken some alternative course ? What would be the picture then ? What about the liberal reforms ? Would there be Socialism or a continuation with Capitalism in Russia? Again - the situation is that there is NO MONARCHY. Thanks.
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Everyone else can, of course, contribute suggestions on what could have taken place if : a. the Monarchy remained and / or b. If the Monarchy disappeared - as it actually did - but the Bolsheviks did not take power. Thanks.
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How, would you say, have Nicholas II and his reign changed the world or contributed to the world ?
Well, he brought about communism.
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Well, he brought about communism.
Thank you for your contribution. But actually during the reign of Nicholas II, there was either capitalism in Russia or maybe a mixture of social systems, very likely with capitalist elements but not yet a complete capitalism. But it was Lenin who brought about the opposite, communism, or - rather - helped towards establishing a socialist system. Or maybe you are saying that the Emperor's style of rule and actions sort of pushed towards a radical change and a replacement of the existing social model with socialism ?
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Thank you for your contribution. But actually during the reign of Nicholas II, there was either capitalism in Russia or maybe a mixture of social systems, very likely with capitalist elements but not yet a complete capitalism. But it was Lenin who brought about the opposite, communism, or - rather - helped towards establishing a socialist system. Or maybe you are saying that the Emperor's style of rule and actions sort of pushed towards a radical change and a replacement of the existing social model with socialism ?
The latter.
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The latter.
Ok. Thank you. That is a very good suggestion that you made - does deserve praise.
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