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It's all very strange. If you look at Jeremy Corbyn's twitter feed, apparently, Brexit does not exist as a current issue.
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn

It's a pity, because at a time when we are sliding towards a disastrously bad Brexit and the hard right of the Tory Party are running amok, smashing up even Theresa May's half-baked 'sensible' Brexit, one might imagine or picture that the Leader of the Opposition might have something to say about it. Unfortunately, he doesn't.

Of course, Jezza is a supporter of a Hard Brexit in reality and remains committed to doing, er, nothing in the current crisis.

I wonder if this is really what all those people who voted for him in the last election actually thought they were voting for? I think not.
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It baffles me that any self-proclaimed socialist is so pro-EU
And, no, but that's just young voters in general. People don't tend to make any accurate assessment of manifestos.
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It baffles me that any self-proclaimed socialist is so pro-EU
And, no, but that's just young voters in general. People don't tend to make any accurate assessment of manifestos.
Are you equally certain that self-proclaimed socialists are in favour of crashing the economy and putting 1/3 of the workforce into extreme poverty, a highly feasible outcome of the hard Brexit plan? One predicted by leading Leaver Patrick Minford and praised by Rees-Mogg as a desirable outcome?

Why is Corbyn siding with the hard right is the basic conundrum here.
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Alastair Campbell nails it.
https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/s...61828113469440
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
Are you equally certain that self-proclaimed socialists are in favour of crashing the economy and putting 1/3 of the workforce into extreme poverty, a highly feasible outcome of the hard Brexit plan? One predicted by leading Leaver Patrick Minford and praised by Rees-Mogg as a desirable outcome?

Why is Corbyn siding with the hard right is the basic conundrum here.
No, I actually talked about this with someone yesterday. My initial statement is not entirely accurate clearly.
It's good to see that socialists are willing to put aside their ideology (or lack of brain) to ensure prosperity through the economically liberal haven known as the European Union.
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I was a labour supporter but I simply cannot believe why any left wing liberal would vote for the party now. Corbyn is not fit, even if he does say lots of truths.

If only David Cameron didnt use the referendum as a political weapon to gain power, we would have had Ed Miliband as prime minister and this awful illegal referendum wouldnt have happened in the first place
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No, I actually talked about this with someone yesterday. My initial statement is not entirely accurate clearly.
It's good to see that socialists are willing to put aside their ideology (or lack of brain) to ensure prosperity through the economically liberal haven known as the European Union.
The EU, for all its undoubted flaws, has proven to be a far better defender and active promoter of worker and citizen rights than the UK. Under a perpetual Conservative government post-Brexit, the best we can hope for is something like a major reversal of worker rights. I would guess that they will aim for something like banning of trade unions for example. That is certainly the ideology of the current feral Tory backbenchers and their messianic gauleiters like Rees-Mogg and the floppy blonde liar.

The other major arena of concern to today's left, the power of the global corporations, will be laughably unchallenged by the weakened British state. Apple alone probably has more funds at its disposal than the UK. Most UK politicians appear to be deeply servile to the Digital Oligarchs and many Tories are intermarried with their bosses. The EU has again shown in recent years that it and it alone is powerful enough to take them on - also unlike the US Congress which is now a wholly owned corporate tool.
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Well it’s an strategy that has worked for him so far, he may as well continue it. Annoying as it is.
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
The EU, for all its undoubted flaws, has proven to be a far better defender and active promoter of worker and citizen rights than the UK. Under a perpetual Conservative government post-Brexit, the best we can hope for is something like a major reversal of worker rights. I would guess that they will aim for something like banning of trade unions for example. That is certainly the ideology of the current feral Tory backbenchers and their messianic gauleiters like Rees-Mogg and the floppy blonde liar.

The other major arena of concern to today's left, the power of the global corporations, will be laughably unchallenged by the weakened British state. Apple alone probably has more funds at its disposal than the UK. Most UK politicians appear to be deeply servile to the Digital Oligarchs and many Tories are intermarried with their bosses. The EU has again shown in recent years that it and it alone is powerful enough to take them on - also unlike the US Congress which is now a wholly owned corporate tool.
Perfectly put.
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Got any words for the liberal anti-brexit heroes, Tim Farron and Vince Cable, who did not even turn up to vote. One of the Brexit ammendments pased by 3 votes. 3 VOTES.

Farron was to busy being a liberal homophobe to actually vote against the government. Maybe blame them instead of Corbyn? Or give them even some kind of stick. I know Woke Soobz made a nice speech but did she actually vote against anything? Where the **** are the Tory remain rebels?


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Under a perpetual Conservative government post-Brexit,
And you will do you hardest to make sure that happens?


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The EU has again shown in recent years that it and it alone is powerful enough to take them on - also unlike the US Congress which is now a wholly owned corporate tool.
By trying to let them abuse intelectual property?

The EU is currently also not allowing countries like Italy manage thier economies in any other way than the failed austerity economics. This is creating a resurgence of a far right. Yes the EU has the social chapter, but it is severly undermingin that by making it impossible for countries to actually have effective welafre states.

Brexit is not a credible solution, even a left wing bennite one, but neither is this fawning of the EU.
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Well it’s an strategy that has worked for him so far, he may as well continue it. Annoying as it is.
Indeed. Much as it's the most fence sitting one possible, the Tories are trashing themselves all over the place that they finally slipped below Labour in the polls (owing to an upsurge in support for UKIP).

Part is his ideology, part is I think deciding either way on a concrete stance stands to harm their standing with some portion of their voters. Similar to what we're seeing now in the Tories, in that it's impossible to please everyone on this issue.
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He is also fairly silent on anti-Semitism.
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
It's all very strange. If you look at Jeremy Corbyn's twitter feed, apparently, Brexit does not exist as a current issue.
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn

It's a pity, because at a time when we are sliding towards a disastrously bad Brexit and the hard right of the Tory Party are running amok, smashing up even Theresa May's half-baked 'sensible' Brexit, one might imagine or picture that the Leader of the Opposition might have something to say about it. Unfortunately, he doesn't.

Of course, Jezza is a supporter of a Hard Brexit in reality and remains committed to doing, er, nothing in the current crisis.

I wonder if this is really what all those people who voted for him in the last election actually thought they were voting for? I think not.

Is your goal to replace Corbyn with a more palatable remain championing centrist or soft left candidate?

This is why the remain heavy labour membership are not getting behind poeple like Alistair Campbel and all the other remain melts and slugs. They do not care about anything else other than Brexit. Where as Brexit for the membership is not the only thing they care about.

Brexit is bad. But I want this as well.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...c69a78a2548?76

I am not going to support throwing it all way just because some right wing labour people have decided they actually do have principles when it comes to the EU. This is the first time an opputunity like this has opened up and the remain at all costs tribe in labour do not inspire trust from me when it comes to the democratising the labour party, which is both important ideologically and for the abilty for Labour to win elections in with the support of an imerging immaterial and socially connected workforce.

I hate Brexit, but I also dislike the fabian style socialism you seem to be espousing with zero concern on the matter of transforming a left wing party along lines that you want to see in the rest fo society, instead simply wanting the right heroe to say the right things.
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Part of your issue, it seems, is that you believe that twitter is the proper place to announce policy.

Look, a major policy decision has not been made on twitter! But Alastair Campbell said something on twitter about it! Whogivsafook; it's ****ing twitter.
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A vote to keep us in some form of customs union just failed by 6 votes. These ammendments are failing due to lack of Tory remainer rebels actually rebelling in the votes.
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Are you equally certain that self-proclaimed socialists are in favour of crashing the economy and putting 1/3 of the workforce into extreme poverty
Well, yes.
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
It's all very strange. If you look at Jeremy Corbyn's twitter feed, apparently, Brexit does not exist as a current issue.
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn

It's a pity, because at a time when we are sliding towards a disastrously bad Brexit and the hard right of the Tory Party are running amok, smashing up even Theresa May's half-baked 'sensible' Brexit, one might imagine or picture that the Leader of the Opposition might have something to say about it. Unfortunately, he doesn't.

Of course, Jezza is a supporter of a Hard Brexit in reality and remains committed to doing, er, nothing in the current crisis.

I wonder if this is really what all those people who voted for him in the last election actually thought they were voting for? I think not.
Corbyn whips his MPs to vote for amendment keeping UK in customs union.

Tory remainers voted against.

Farron and Cable didn't show up.

Yet somehow you've construed that as Corbyn enabling Brexit.
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A vote to keep us in some form of customs union just failed by 6 votes. These ammendments are failing due to lack of Tory remainer rebels actually rebelling in the votes.
To be fair 12 Tory MPs rebelled. The problem was the four Labour MPs who voted to save the Tories.
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To be fair 12 Tory MPs rebelled. The problem was the four Labour MPs who voted to save the Tories.
Yeah I just learned about those ****ers. Field, Hoey, Stringer and Mann. Notice anything about them? They sure as hell are not Corbyn supporters. All deselection bait.To be honest I'm suprised Dennis Skinner was not in the list. Thankfully. Also these MPs rebelled against Corbyn's leadership. This vote was not Corbyn's fault.

The centrist remainers can either oppose mandatory reselection or complain Corbyn can't force every MP to vote his way, not both. Labour MPs who stop the best chance of toppling the Tory government we have had in a while should be fear deselection.
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
It's all very strange. If you look at Jeremy Corbyn's twitter feed, apparently, Brexit does not exist as a current issue.
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn
The Tories wanted to make the last general election to be all about Brexit. Labour refuse to play ball and look what happened. Why should Labour do what the Tories want them to do? It is as stupid as agreeing too much public spending caused the 2008 financial crisis. Stop doing what the Tories want you to be doing. Tiwtter is also not where votes in parliment happen... Woke Soobz has a good twitter profile, voting record is crap.
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