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    Let me begin, I feel socialism does not work in the long term yet has good intent. I feel capitalism is not unethical yet some bad eggs portray it as that way and a life dedicated to improving the quality of your life (called self growth) is one of the best ways to live it. And you?
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    (Original post by CoolCavy)
    Moved to society

    Are you stool as in a chair or a poop?
    The ambiguity is the point, makes me more mysterious.
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    The ambiguity is the point, makes me more mysterious.
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    IMO socialism crushes societal growth. As *****y as the wealth divide is new advances require a metric tonne of investment to get off the ground. You can’t remove most of that capital either as who wants to be a top engineer designing new computer chips when you’d get paid the same to work at McDonald’s. Money is your reward for working hard.
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    Welfare state and NHS are both socialist policies. Capitalism is great for the economy but bad for the people. I don't think UK should become a total socialist state but it should implement more by making more council houses and nationalisation. Capitalism is just greed. But I still believe in having the free market.
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    (Original post by qwertyK)
    Welfare state and NHS are both socialist policies. Capitalism is great for the economy but bad for the people. I don't think UK should become a total socialist state but it should implement more by making more council houses and nationalisation. Capitalism is just greed. But I still believe in having the free market.
    By introducing more council houses that will give people more of a reason NOT to work, whereas if we do the opposite people have more of a reason TO work. Although those are not physically able to work i.e. learning disabilities etc. should without doubt be given the assistance required.

    Help people by giving them the motivation to work, by making them more comfortable I personally think your sabotaging them.
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    (Original post by TheCoolStool)
    By introducing more council houses that will give people more of a reason NOT to work, whereas if we do the opposite people have more of a reason TO work. Although those are not physically able to work i.e. learning disabilities etc. should without doubt be given the assistance required.

    Help people by giving them the motivation to work, by making them more comfortable I personally think your sabotaging them.
    Homeless people? Veterans (who are now homeless?) My family, a lot of them, my Aunt in particular (who does have a council house) cannot work due to health issues. That council house was issued under the Blair govt. Under Mays? Probably not.

    Privitisation of vital NHS services is causing everything to turn to profit rather care. I hear your argument from the right all the time. Private developments are causing effectivelt a cleansing of local working class people from areas and replacing them with souless commuters who just live there because it is convinient to get to work. We don't build quality four bed houses, now its just greedy developers building thousands of flats in an area where you would normally have about three four bed homes. These private properties go for ridiclulously high prices and only the liberal working elite can afford them.
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    The socialism vs capitalism argument, at least as it was framed in the 20th century, is dead and has been for years.

    (Original post by TheCoolStool)
    a life dedicated to improving the quality of your life (called self growth) is one of the best ways to live it.
    This is the sort of half-baked ideological tosh you get from GCSE kids. If you actually look at capitalist societies, you'll see that most of the self-growth going on involves people's waistlines. The overweight and obese not only over consume but then require long-term expensive help for their self-inflicted lifestyle diseases, making them the perfect symbol of modern capitalism. Those of us with a bit of self-restraint and a critical eye aren't so sure this is a quality of life improvement.
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    (Original post by TheCoolStool)
    Let me begin, I feel socialism does not work in the long term yet has good intent. I feel capitalism is not unethical yet some bad eggs portray it as that way and a life dedicated to improving the quality of your life (called self growth) is one of the best ways to live it. And you?
    No system will benefit absolutely everyone. I say capitalism. Maybe a socialist healthcare but that’s probably as far as I’ll lean to that side.
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    (Original post by qwertyK)
    Homeless people? Veterans (who are now homeless?) My family, a lot of them, my Aunt in particular (who does have a council house) cannot work due to health issues. That council house was issued under the Blair govt. Under Mays? Probably not.

    Privitisation of vital NHS services is causing everything to turn to profit rather care. I hear your argument from the right all the time. Private developments are causing effectivelt a cleansing of local working class people from areas and replacing them with souless commuters who just live there because it is convinient to get to work. We don't build quality four bed houses, now its just greedy developers building thousands of flats in an area where you would normally have about three four bed homes. These private properties go for ridiclulously high prices and only the liberal working elite can afford them.
    If you had a work ethic perhaps you could afford them one day, nobody is stopping you from making flats yourself, and as stated those who are unable to work should be given assistance.
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    (Original post by Sulfolobus)
    The socialism vs capitalism argument, at least as it was framed in the 20th century, is dead and has been for years.



    This is the sort of half-baked ideological tosh you get from GCSE kids. If you actually look at capitalist societies, you'll see that most of the self-growth going on involves people's waistlines. The overweight and obese not only over consume but then require long-term expensive help for their self-inflicted lifestyle diseases, making them the perfect symbol of modern capitalism. Those of us with a bit of self-restraint and a critical eye aren't so sure this is a quality of life improvement.
    I heavily disagree, most of what you said is opinion, obese people are not fat because of capitalism, they are fat because they EAT too much. By people starting a business and working very hard to release a product society improves, Bill Gates with the first graphical operating system for example, without capitalism I would be entering thousands of commands on my computer to write a single sentence of this, sounds like improvement to me.
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    (Original post by TheCoolStool)
    If you had a work ethic perhaps you could afford them one day, nobody is stopping you from making flats yourself, and as stated those who are unable to work should be given assistance.
    It is becoming practically impossible for white, straight, working class men to get jobs. You are being ridiclous. It has nothing to do with work ethic. It is hard enough to gain decent qualifications now. How old are you? Have you sat the new GCSEs?

    Our country is a mess. No other country in the world do you have to wait NINETEEN HOURS for an ambulance. Thanks to capitalism, hospital budgets and EMS budgets have been shunned. If the PM really cared about the people they would donate some of their salary or stop spending it on useless projects like self driving cars and AI which will further create mass redundancies in our isolated, small island
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    Neither, I support mixed economies. While this takes the weaknesses of both mixed economies also take the strongest.

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    By introducing more council houses that will give people more of a reason NOT to work, whereas if we do the opposite people have more of a reason TO work. Although those are not physically able to work i.e. learning disabilities etc. should without doubt be given the assistance required.

    Help people by giving them the motivation to work, by making them more comfortable I personally think your sabotaging them.
    More than 40% of social housing tenants work. Of the remaining 60% are a mixture of retired, disabled, or for whatever reason are unable to work. It's a small minority who are able to work but choose not to.

    It should also be noted that, as far as I've encountered, key worker accommodation also falls under the social housing umbrella. This includes anyone from emergency services to school teachers (and in one case a nun).
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    People get fat due to capitalism

    People starve to death due to socialism.
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    (Original post by qwertyK)
    It is becoming practically impossible for white, straight, working class men to get jobs. You are being ridiclous. It has nothing to do with work ethic. It is hard enough to gain decent qualifications now. How old are you? Have you sat the new GCSEs?

    Our country is a mess. No other country in the world do you have to wait NINETEEN HOURS for an ambulance. Thanks to capitalism, hospital budgets and EMS budgets have been shunned. If the PM really cared about the people they would donate some of their salary or stop spending it on useless projects like self driving cars and AI which will further create mass redundancies in our isolated, small island
    If you can't get a job start a business, quite easy, and I'm not going to answer personal questions. To be frank, a country compared to others is actually thriving, and in a worse case scenario maybe you would have to wait 19 hours for an ambulance, rarely the case. I feel the rich are under no obligation to spend there money a certain way, you have your money they have there own. Also AI and self driving cars actually would be better for society than if the rich spent all there money on entertainment and luxuries (which some do).
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    (Original post by TheCoolStool)
    I heavily disagree, most of what you said is opinion, obese people are not fat because of capitalism, they are fat because they EAT too much. By people starting a business and working very hard to release a product society improves, Bill Gates with the first graphical operating system for example, without capitalism I would be entering thousands of commands on my computer to write a single sentence of this, sounds like improvement to me.
    You use a very bad example. Computers are integral to modern life but they have also helped drive the culture of idleness and sedentary behaviour both in the workplace and at home that contributes to obesity. I could also touch on loneliness, mental health problems and the environmental impact of computers. So the extent to which you regard it as an improvement depends on the angle you look at it from.
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    (Original post by Salostar)
    Neither, I support mixed economies. While this takes the weaknesses of both mixed economies also take the strongest.



    More than 40% of social housing tenants work. Of the remaining 60% are a mixture of retired, disabled, or for whatever reason are unable to work. It's a small minority who are able to work but choose not to.

    It should also be noted that, as far as I've encountered, key worker accommodation also falls under the social housing umbrella. This includes anyone from emergency services to school teachers (and in one case a nun).
    Define 'work', a lot of work does not pay i.e. hobbies. If your struggling so bad start a business, your salary becomes unlimited. Furthermore I do not believe that 60% of housing tenants who do not work are unable to, you will be blown away how many people have pathetic excuses.
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    (Original post by TheCoolStool)
    If you can't get a job start a business, quite easy, and I'm not going to answer personal questions. To be frank, a country compared to others is actually thriving, and in a worse case scenario maybe you would have to wait 19 hours for an ambulance, rarely the case. I feel the rich are under no obligation to spend there money a certain way, you have your money they have there own. Also AI and self driving cars actually would be better for society than if the rich spent all there money on entertainment and luxuries (which some do).
    No, not nineteen hours, mostly its more than 4. Every member of my family who needed hospital treatment required this. A further four hour wait in A&E? You need money to start a business. Not everyone has that priviliege.
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    It just saddens me that the UK has one of the most expensive train systems and yet is one of the worst in Europe. I'm not Labour voter or a socialist, but god I hate how sub-par we are and just how willing we're accepting of it. We should have better functions trains, a better NHS and a better education system since we're supposedly one of the richest and most powerful nations in the world, for example.
 
 
 
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