Socialism V. Capitalism.

Define 'work', a lot of work does not pay i.e. hobbies. If your struggling so bad start a business, your salary becomes unlimited. Furthermore I do not believe that 60% of housing tenants who do not work are unable to, you will be blown away how many people have pathetic excuses.

No system will benefit absolutely everyone. I say capitalism. Maybe a socialist healthcare but that’s probably as far as I’ll lean to that side.

So the fire brigade, the police, the courts, the military should all be run for profit?

You use a very bad example. Computers are integral to modern life but they have also helped drive the culture of idleness and sedentary behaviour both in the workplace and at home that contributes to obesity. I could also touch on loneliness, mental health problems and the environmental impact of computers. So the extent to which you regard it as an improvement depends on the angle you look at it from.

No, not nineteen hours, mostly its more than 4. Every member of my family who needed hospital treatment required this. A further four hour wait in A&E? You need money to start a business. Not everyone has that priviliege.

It just saddens me that the UK has one of the most expensive train systems and yet is one of the worst in Europe. I'm not Labour voter or a socialist, but god I hate how sub-par we are and just how willing we're accepting of it. We should have better functions trains, a better NHS and a better education system since we're supposedly one of the richest and most powerful nations in the world, for example.

A recent report by the Chartered Institute of Housing.

http://www.cih.org/resources/PDF/Policy%20free%20download%20pdfs/Rethinking%20Social%20Housing%20Final%20Report.pdf

Page 13.

Page 8.

“Over 40 per cent of households in social housing are in work and contributing financially to our economy, but often on very low wages, including providing essential public services”.

You are also aware I assume that starting a business isn’t easy and requires both start-up capital, knowledge of the business they’d like to start and time to build? Tenants of social housing will rarely have the capital even if they have the knowledge, and even then, getting clients/customers can be difficult. I know because I did this myself, turning a ‘hobby’ into a job on the side.

So the fire brigade, the police, the courts, the military should all be run for profit?

Let me begin, I feel socialism does not work in the long term yet has good intent. I feel capitalism is not unethical yet some bad eggs portray it as that way and a life dedicated to improving the quality of your life (called self growth) is one of the best ways to live it. And you?

Capitalism is low key unethical. Although many people including myself believe in Social Darwinism. Socialism is really unfair against businessmen and wealthy landowners, it’s not their fault that the economies are in decline

Capitalism is thought to be unethical, maybe movies or gordon geckko or whatever. Most CEOs and very wealthy people have ethics, and put that before profit surprisingly.

Again, people are not idle due to computers. They are lazy because they have no reason otherwise to do anything else, I could have the best computer in the world relative to me persona yet If I had self-discipline It would benefit me more than it is a disadvantage. In fact if anything its' a benefit as it makes it easier to become successful as there is less competition. People are not fat because of computers, people are fat because they DO NOT exercise enough.

Not sure about “most”. I’ve been to more than ten 3rd world countries that are capitalist based and their wealthy people don’t seem to have ethics. Maybe in wealthy nations CEOs tend to be more ethical but we should bring up smaller nations too.

Socialism gives all the power to the government, which historically has given a 100% success rate in producing totalitarian regimes.

Stalinism, Maoism, Chavismo etc

Evidently you are struggling here.

A quick examination of a modern capitalist society such as the UK reveals a nation of fatties (64% of adults in England) with very low levels of activity, which, by your own admission, is related to laziness. It is a trend seen in other developed capitalist nations, it is also seen when developing nations embrace capitalism (the explosion of obesity in Chinese cities for example).

Therefore the characteristics which you have variously cited as being associated with capitalism such self-improvement, hard work, and self-discipline are not present in capitalist societies.

Yes, capitalism has done wonders for increasing material wealth, but it has also turned us into a nation of lazy gluttonous consumers. That there is so much self-denial around this fact is to our detriment. Although it does create wonderful business opportunities for undertakers specialising in XXL coffins.

Capitalism is a system that distinguishes the strong from the weak. We need to remove the mixed economy we have at present and embrace true capitalism. It is good for the species to eliminate the weak.