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I honestly think people overhype them too much. At the end of the day - does it really matter where you got your degree from?
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I honestly think people overhype them too much. At the end of the day - does it really matter where you got your degree from?
This is a very good question that relates to the elitist nature of Higher Education. This has been prompted by marketisation and league tables where students as consumers are attracted to institutions with a much higher global standing. What can be said however is that there are many strengths of RGI but none too significant that you would miss out in a specialist or post-92 institution. Focus on your degree and the services offered in institutions and make a decision that is right for you.
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This is a very good question that relates to the elitist nature of Higher Education. This has been prompted by marketisation and league tables where students as consumers are attracted to institutions with a much higher global standing. What can be said however is that there are many strengths of RGI but none too significant that you would miss out in a specialist or post-92 institution. Focus on your degree and the services offered in institutions and make a decision that is right for you.
I agree. There Are people on here who genuinely think that it's not worth going to a non Russel group uni (actually heard multiple people say this?) Like a degree is a degree, Russel group unis may be more prestigious but they aren't the be all and end all of higher education.
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I honestly think people overhype them too much. At the end of the day - does it really matter where you got your degree from?
If you want to be taken seriously, it helps if you can spell the name correctly ..
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If you want to be taken seriously, it helps if you can spell the name correctly ..
The response was understood, perhaps you might focus less on ad hominem and simply engage with the question/topic discussed.
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I agree. There Are people on here who genuinely think that it's not worth going to a non Russel group uni (actually heard multiple people say this?) Like a degree is a degree, Russel group unis may be more prestigious but they aren't the be all and end all of higher education.
I agree, in my view, experiences matter in life learning and work, not solely the paper you’re awarded for competing your studies. There are clear benefits to access in more prestigious universities, but these have much more to do as I’ve said with elitism.

I recommend that any student (prospective) focus on what is being taught in any given institution, the services (academic/pastoral) available, the amenities on campus and the general culture. It’s important that you value the programme so that you’re engaging in learning, but also that you feel able to fit in among peers and academics. These are key determinants in a students success and failure, and in my experience much greater recognition is given to these factors in newer institutions (invest).

I’ve also had the opportunity to compare marking and assessment practices against a similar work submitted in both RGI, ancients and post-92. In relation to what is actually taught there are of course differences but generally they are delivered o the same standard and each with their own strengths and weaknesses. Importantly how you are marked and assessed is generally consistent across all institutions despite what is often claimed.

Best of luck, I hope you make the right decision.
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I honestly think people overhype them too much. At the end of the day - does it really matter where you got your degree from?
nope, there is 0 overhype for good unis (be that RG or non-RG). been to both a good uni and an average uni, miles apart in many dimensions. if you're a smart-ish kid with some ambition, you'd be better placed at the former instead of the latter.

note i said "good uni". this ranges from generally reputed with very strong students to reputed in different niche subject areas.

RG itself is kind of meaningless. QUB's average uni kid is very different to Bristol's or UCL's average uni kid on a few dimensions.

the perks of more average unis tend to be better nightlife, more laid back social life, easier courses, sometimes more hand holding, less rich kids etc etc.

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tbh with the exception of Oxford, and Cambridge, they are pale imitations of Oxford, and Cambridge ?

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I honestly think people overhype them too much. At the end of the day - does it really matter where you got your degree from?
But i hate to burst your bubble but there's a considerable factor about where u got your degree from. If you have 2 applicants, 1 from Oxford and the other has a degree from some uni in Dover. U only have less than 5 minutes to consider both profiles because there are hundred more coming. So which one u will choose for shortlist?

The exception would for Dover applicant be if they have richer details about their experience relevant to the job, I mean A LOT richer.
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But i hate to burst your bubble but there's a considerable factor about where u got your degree from. If you have 2 applicants, 1 from Oxford and the other has a degree from some uni in Dover. U only have less than 5 minutes to consider both profiles because there are hundred more coming. So which one u will choose for shortlist?

The exception would for Dover applicant be if they have richer details about their experience relevant to the job, I mean A LOT richer.
I think Oxbridge degrees are different and I accept that they give you an advantage. Im not denying that Russel group universities are better but a lot of people act like they're the be all and end all of uni.
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When I was first looking at what university to go for, I hadn't heard of the term 'Russell Group'. I fail to see how knowing about it would have helped me in any way. It all seems a bit artificial.
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nope, there is 0 overhype for good unis (be that RG or non-RG). been to both a good uni and an average uni, miles apart in many dimensions. if you're a smart-ish kid with some ambition, you'd be better placed at the former instead of the latter.

note i said "good uni". this ranges from generally reputed with very strong students to reputed in different niche subject areas.

RG itself is kind of meaningless. QUB's average uni kid is very different to Bristol's or UCL's average uni kid on a few dimensions.

the perks of more average unis tend to be better nightlife, more laid back social life, easier courses, sometimes more hand holding, less rich kids etc etc.

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I didn't say that going to a good university isn't better than going to an average one. But as you said in your reply, just because a university isn't RG doesn't mean it's not any good. And I know it's not great to go to an average uni but I've heard a lot of people on here say that there's no point in going to uni if it's not RG (which simply isn't true). Any uni you can get into is worth it and going to an RG uni doesn't guarantee success.
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If you want to be taken seriously, it helps if you can spell the name correctly ..
stfu. I doubt you type everything perfectly all the time and that's not really relevant. You're just salty
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I agree, in my view, experiences matter in life learning and work, not solely the paper you’re awarded for competing your studies. There are clear benefits to access in more prestigious universities, but these have much more to do as I’ve said with elitism.

I recommend that any student (prospective) focus on what is being taught in any given institution, the services (academic/pastoral) available, the amenities on campus and the general culture. It’s important that you value the programme so that you’re engaging in learning, but also that you feel able to fit in among peers and academics. These are key determinants in a students success and failure, and in my experience much greater recognition is given to these factors in newer institutions (invest).

I’ve also had the opportunity to compare marking and assessment practices against a similar work submitted in both RGI, ancients and post-92. In relation to what is actually taught there are of course differences but generally they are delivered o the same standard and each with their own strengths and weaknesses. Importantly how you are marked and assessed is generally consistent across all institutions despite what is often claimed.

Best of luck, I hope you make the right decision.
I will apply with the goal to get into a RG university but I will also apply to others. I think it's stupid to act like not getting into a Russell group uni is a big deal like if there's a good non-RG uni that offers a course you like and ticks all the other boxes then go there LMAO.
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I think in terms of facilities and lectures the difference isn't that big but the big difference comes in the lifestyle, the people you're surrounded by and the motivation. I go to a mediocre uni, the course seems alright having spoken to friends doing the same at higher unis, my lecturers are published/Oxbridge educated etc so not idiots, its got accreditation etc and all that is fine. Well some modules are more difficult than others as it seems the uni puts more funding on some aspects but I assume thats the same everywhere. I've so far not been affected in interviews because of my uni but I'm not exactly applying for IB jobs or anything.

But where the difference lies and I wish I had worked harder at A level is the people, most of my peers go clubbing like 3 nights a week, most of them don't give a **** about doing well or even the course. They regularly talk about how boring they find it or ***** about lecturers, I'd say the average grade in my class is probably a low 2:2. I honestly feel embarrassed sometimes to being doing well, like there's a bit of resentment from everyone else. For the majority of my course, they are just in it for a piece of paper and a good time.

Maybe I'm giving myself too much credit but its quite difficult to actually try and gain work experience, get good grades when there's no social pressure. If I was surrounded by clever people, I feel there'd be competition but at my uni this is not the case. I've seen people post that they got like 48% on a piece of coursework and people saying "Congrats, you passed"
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When I was first looking at what university to go for, I hadn't heard of the term 'Russell Group'. I fail to see how knowing about it would have helped me in any way. It all seems a bit artificial.
My parents had never heard of it either when applying to university but nowadays it has become a requirement for a lot of people when applying for university. The thing is, it's a partnership based on research (mostly scientific) but people applying to courses that don't involve research still want to go to Russell group unis. It has taken a new value to what it originally was and has essentially come to mean the most prestigious universities in the UK and the reason they're so sought after is largely because of elitism. Those who can't get into Oxbridge still want to feel like an elite and going to a Russell group uni supplies them with this.
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stfu. I doubt you type everything perfectly all the time and that's not really relevant. You're just salty
No, I don't. To be fair, you did it twice, so it appeared to be more than a typo. It is important if you want people to think that you've done your research.
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But i hate to burst your bubble but there's a considerable factor about where u got your degree from. If you have 2 applicants, 1 from Oxford and the other has a degree from some uni in Dover. U only have less than 5 minutes to consider both profiles because there are hundred more coming. So which one u will choose for shortlist?

The exception would for Dover applicant be if they have richer details about their experience relevant to the job, I mean A LOT richer.
Nope, it doesn’t work like that in the real world. It doesn’t sound like you’ve ever been involved in recruiting anyone. Have you?
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No, I don't. To be fair, you did it twice, so it appeared to be more than a typo. It is important if you want people to think that you've done your research.
Well everyone else has responded seriously so I guess it's just you
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I think Oxbridge degrees are different and I accept that they give you an advantage. Im not denying that Russel group universities are better but a lot of people act like they're the be all and end all of uni.
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