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For all of you sitting the PAT this November, I know there aren't many guides or resources out there so thought I would give a few tips as I managed to get through it a few years ago. Make sure you are familiar with the Syllabus, which can be found on Oxford's website since it is changing all the time. Make sure you know all of AS maths and physics and it is a good idea to know A2 as well. When you are sitting the paper make sure to write everything down, even if you cannot answer the question, DO NOT leave a blank white space.

There are few guides out there, but this one is by far the best and cheaper. A really good guide:
Complete Oxford PAT Guide: Part I: Notes and Formulae https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1983234230

https://oxfordpatguide.vp.haptoid.com
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Feel free to ask any questions.
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Hi, is this for students applying to Oxford in 2018?
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Hi, is this for students applying to Oxford in 2018?
yeah I think it is

I found this btw seems useful

http://www.physics.ox.ac.uk/olympiad...ur_Physics.pdf
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Hi, is this for students applying to Oxford in 2018?
Yes it is. So for students that will be sitting the PAT this November the 2nd.
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yeah I think it is

I found this btw seems useful

http://www.physics.ox.ac.uk/olympiad...ur_Physics.pdf
Seems okay. There is a lot of useless content such as 'Fast Physics', 'Rotation', 'Practical Physics' etc. plus a lot of missing content. Best to go through the syllabus step by step just to be extra certain:
https://www2.physics.ox.ac.uk/study-...t/pat-syllabus

The guide above ^: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Ox...dp/1983234230/
does this quite well
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Seems okay. There is a lot of useless content such as 'Fast Physics', 'Rotation', 'Practical Physics' etc. plus a lot of missing content. Best to go through the syllabus step by step just to be extra certain:
https://www2.physics.ox.ac.uk/study-...t/pat-syllabus

The guide above ^: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Ox...dp/1983234230/
does this quite well
it's a while till the actual PAT date I just linked that as it can help in general with physics admissions to unis. It can help with PS and interview preparation
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it's a while till the actual PAT date I just linked that as it can help in general with physics admissions to unis. It can help with PS and interview preparation
Fair enough, it is quite early. The earlier the better tho!
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Hiy! What is the best way to practice and understand the harder/longer physics questions?

And is it too late to start revising and doing papers now and still get a high mark? Because a video I watched said we should have been revising 15months before?! Sadly I only saw this the other week!

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Fair enough, it is quite early. The earlier the better tho!
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Hiy! What is the best way to practice and understand the harder/longer physics questions?

And is it too late to start revising and doing papers now and still get a high mark? Because a video I watched said we should have been revising 15months before?! Sadly I only saw this the other week!

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I haven't started either... I've mostly been learning A2 Maths content at a slow rate and procrastinating. Do you think you'll have enough time to prepare properly and get shortlisted?

Also, could you link me that video?
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Hiy! What is the best way to practice and understand the harder/longer physics questions?

And is it too late to start revising and doing papers now and still get a high mark? Because a video I watched said we should have been revising 15months before?! Sadly I only saw this the other week!

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That video is completely incorrect do not worry if you havent started yet, it is still not too late. I would recommend saving the papers until the month before the actual PAT. It is better to do other papers first (e.g. MAT and ENGAA) and built up a strong understanding before attempting the PAT papers. View: https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho...rimary_content
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Does anyone know anything about the formulas / fundamental constants we need to know?The Oxford PAT site lists quite a few of the a-level ones however says that it is not an extensive list. I am assuming we need to know all the formulas in the a level data booklet relevant to the topics they say could come up but no idea about which constants they expect us to know.
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Does anyone know anything about the formulas / fundamental constants we need to know?The Oxford PAT site lists quite a few of the a-level ones however says that it is not an extensive list. I am assuming we need to know all the formulas in the a level data booklet relevant to the topics they say could come up but no idea about which constants they expect us to know.
The guide above^ has a comprehensive list of all the formulae. In terms of constants know common ones that you come across often in maths and physics, it will be pretty obvious which ones you will need once you have done some of the PAT past papers. Any vague constants such as G will be given so I would not worry about remembering them exactly, but more how to use them i.e. the formulae.
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I know that you should be trying to score as high as possible but does anyone know what kind of score we should be aiming for (for engineering) to be safe? I did a practice test in school and got 57 or so but my admissions supervisor told me that a score like that is not even borderline (while giving me a look like I 'should just give up now').

I definitely want to do better that this in the real thing but am I really a lost cause? If not, what kind of thing can I do other than past papers and olympiad questions to improve?
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I know that you should be trying to score as high as possible but does anyone know what kind of score we should be aiming for (for engineering) to be safe? I did a practice test in school and got 57 or so but my admissions supervisor told me that a score like that is not even borderline (while giving me a look like I 'should just give up now'.

I definitely want to do better that this in the real thing but am I really a lost cause? If not, what kind of thing can I do other than past papers and olympiad questions to improve?
Some papers have a pass mark of less than 50 and some have over 70, you need to look at the markers report to find out how you compare to others who sat the paper.
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Some papers have a pass mark of less than 50 and some have over 70, you need to look at the markers report to find out how you compare to others who sat the paper.
That's really settled my worries since I checked just now and the one we did (the 2009 paper) had a pass at 47.

Thanks a lot! Now I can get a better idea of how I'm doing in past papers.
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That's really settled my worries since I checked just now and the one we did (the 2009 paper) had a pass at 47.

Thanks a lot! Now I can get a better idea of how I'm doing in past papers.
Haha, 57 is a lot better than what I'm getting currently even for the easier papers... All be it I've only done 2 papers.
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Haha, 57 is a lot better than what I'm getting currently even for the easier papers... All be it I've only done 2 papers.
To be honest, that was a bit of a fluke for me. I've mainly been floating around 30-40ish for most of the papers I've done at home...
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To be honest, that was a bit of a fluke for me. I've mainly been floating around 30-40ish for most of the papers I've done at home...
Out of interest what college are you applying to, I think I'll try for Mansfield :P.

The key for getting good marks seems (from my very limited experience haha) to be prioritising what you are good at to save time. If you don't get something within 10 secs or so just move on because there are always other questions with easy marks. Hope that helps!
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