“Not ALL men” argument

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But have you considered the fact that most feminists don’t behave like that, only a vocal minority?

What generalisations have been made? Facts and figures to back up what statements?

No, it's definitely a significant number that unfortunately undermines the entire movement.

Ive addressed this earlier, read.

Reply 21

Joleee

Original post by awkwardshortguy

Men who rape are the exception, though.

OP wasn't calling all men rapists. she was talking about how this is used as a straw-man argument when she or others talks about the problem of sexual assault and sexual harassment. no one's saying all men are rapists. that doesn't mean there isn't a problem.

Reply 22

yudothis

Original post by Heirio

That is, and this is the most direct way I can put this, *******s.

If a muslim commits a terrorist attack and another says "not all muslims do this", are you saying that the second muslim is a terrorist, merely for pointing out that not all muslims are evil?

Because in order to be logically consistent, that is what you are saying.

You would be right if these two scenarios are analogous. They're not.

Reply 23

yudothis

Original post by pablo442

Also another common argument that's very dangerous. Accusing people of being rapists and abusers because theyre against generalisations is frankly disgusting.

The point wasn't that they are against generalizations, it is that they felt the need to speak up.

The same kind of people that cry All Lives Matter when confronted with BLM. This is the same ****.

Reply 24

Heirio

Original post by yudothis

You would be right if these two scenarios are analogous. They're not.

In the first, some men do some evil things. Someone says "not all men do these things".

In the second, some muslims do some evil things. Someone says "not all muslims do these things".

Could you elaborate?

Reply 25

yudothis

Original post by Heirio

Read my comment above.

Reply 26

pablo442

Original post by yudothis

The point wasn't that they are against generalizations, it is that they felt the need to speak up.

The same kind of people that cry All Lives Matter when confronted with BLM. This is the same ****.

So, if you speak up against generalisations, you're a rapist and an abuser? What kind of twisted logic

Are you incapable of arguing without slandering others and painting them in a horrible light?

Reply 27

Heirio

Original post by yudothis

Read my comment above.

That doesn't show how the situations are not analogous.

Reply 28

username1894041

Feminists want the comfort of womanhood, the power of manhood, and the responsibilities of neither.

Reply 29

Anonymous #2

Original post by lionheart27

Feminists want the comfort of womanhood, the power of manhood, and the responsibilities of neither.

No they want equal treatment, don’t generalise. The “radical” feminists you see are just attention seekers who falsely believe in an extreme view. Not every feminist wants be superior.

Reply 30

ThatOldGuy

Original post by Anonymous

So when women argue with men about the storm of sexual assault and rape charges that are occurring in Hollywood and have done for decades as well as the millions of women who go through it like it’s the norm - and they reply saying “not ALL men rape. What about the women that rape men?”

Why do they say that? The conversation is about women, yes may I add male rape victims are completely valid and no one is ever saying they are not valid, but if the conversation is focused on women as 98% of rape cases are done by men and 2% by women - then why do men always think of themselves?

Not all men.
Not all Muslims.
Not all immigrants.

All of these have the same argument and the same rule applied to them. Do you accept the other two? If you do, why not the first? If you don't and feel those last two aren't valid, either, then congratulations! You're internally consistent.

Reply 31

pablo442

Original post by ThatOldGuy

It really is that simple.

Reply 32

Roryroars

It is definitely a crime that is primarily commit by men but that certainly doesn't mean ALL men are like this. Actually majority of men themself if ask would say rape would make them sick. It sad that some women wrap a few bad seed into a who male thing. I am all for bring out the bad seeds and exposing them but not making the whole male species name bad because of it.

Reply 33

Heirio

Original post by Noodlestudent

It’s just become a who has it worse scenario, it is like if a person went to a breast cancer rally and started screaming about prostate cancer. It needs attention also but it is not the focus of the rally.

You're correct if the situation is someone bringing up stats for rape where women are the focus and someone simply states "Not all men" or "What about the women who rape men".
On that point, you're right that it's just not needed.

Reply 34

yudothis

Original post by pablo442

So, if you speak up against generalisations, you're a rapist and an abuser? What kind of twisted logic

Are you incapable of arguing without slandering others and painting them in a horrible light?

I never said they are a rapist and abuser. I said they are part of the patriarchy that oppresses women. Never known someone decent to feel the need to cry "not all men".

Reply 35

pablo442

Original post by yudothis

I never said they are a rapist and abuser. I said they are part of the patriarchy that oppresses women. Never known someone decent to feel the need to cry "not all men".

Original post by yudothis

Anyway, the only men that cry "not all men" are the ones that know it's them that it is addressed at.

Stop lying.

People who say "not all men" are the same as the people who say "not all immigrants" or "not all muslims". By considering proportions and relativity, we paint a more accurate view of society.

Reply 36

Heirio

Original post by yudothis

I never said they are a rapist and abuser. I said they are part of the patriarchy that oppresses women. Never known someone decent to feel the need to cry "not all men".