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Personally I don't feel so. I can understand why people created religion, as they felt they need some guidelines and a kind of framework to live however there are so many different religions and versions of God out there that I think it's not essential. I don't think man made books are the best way to go about it. If someone is a good person that treats others well that should be ok, however different religions have different rules so who do you trust? Most people will say think their own religion is the truth but most of the time they're just saying that as they've been bought up in that religion so most of the time have only heard about messages supporting that religion which brainwashes them. Religion is more about control more than anything.
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No. We would have developed desirable traits such as cooperation, generosity, sharing etc. early in our evolutionary history (as these help with survival), long before we invented religions.

The latter simply took and modified morals that were already present in human civilisations.
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Nope.
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No. Many religions have vile morals mixed with some good ones.
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No, religion is man made, and mortality has nothing to do with it.
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A very interesting question. I think this should be split into two parts- 1) To what extent is religion currently guiding morality, and 2) Could morality evolve beyond needing religion to guide it. Here is my interpretation of these two questions but of course they are very much open to interpretation.

There are a few problems that are presented when we talk about “morality” as a whole, as the moral standards people hold themselves to differ from nation to nation and from person to person. However, there are certain moral standards that seem almost universal- Do not kill, forgiveness, and various others. It would be frankly false to pretend that these are not embedded into society as a general (but not exclusive) rule, and It would also be false to assume that these do not stem from religion. Some of the oldest scripture and moral teachings are of a religious nature, and although many non-religious people have never even picked up a bible or a Quran, the moral values that were introduced by religions have lived on and permeated their lives nonetheless. So, to answer question 1, Religion currently guides morality general moral standards are generally a result of religious teaching. This can be backed up with a mountain of evidence but for the sake of this response, I shan’t go into such depth.

Question 2 is a more interesting one. In order for morality to exist completely separately and unjointed to religion, it would actually have to evolve to a completely different state, in my opinion. For how could morals which have evolved from religion be claimed to be separate from it? However, current religious teachings are unlikely to affect the morality of the general atheist population, yet previous teachings clearly have affected their morality, evidenced by the fact that non-religious people generally adhere to similar moral standards to those of religious people. It is important to understand that I do not mean specific morals such as praying or vegetarianism for example, but the broader moral principles that we all hold, which keep us from killing everyone and destroying society. So, could morality evolve beyond the guiding hand of religion? Probably not, as moral standards would have to significantly change from the established principals which stemmed from religion, and this is unlikely.
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A question that has been asked for thousands of years... I don't think a bunch of kids on TSR are going to prove more insightful than the many texts written on this subject by extremely learned individuals.

The resulting answer is no one really knows because no one in thousands of years has lived in a world when religion of some sort didn't exist.

We are shaped by the world we live in. Our mindset is shaped from the beginning. We are all brainwashed to think a certain way and the brainwashing continues throughout your life.

plus there is the slight issue of who determines what morality is?

Basically the question opens up a can of worms before you even begin to answer lol
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human rights law is based on natural law, which is based on the belief in God and that humans have 'natural rights' just for being human. this would be the right to life, right to dignity, right to liberty and security, freedom from torture and slavery, etc. i realise not all countries are good at practising human rights, but there is (at least) a partially universal belief that killing is bad and respect for life is good. so why is that? why do believers and non-believers agree on this? imho it comes from God, but not religion. maybe religion corrupts it.
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Not at all. The majority of prisoners identify as religious, there's a tiny minority of prisoners who are Atheist. Numerous things lead to morality and if people think that religion is the only thing that can lead to that, then they're not all there.
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most things to do with religion represent nagative rather than positive values
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Absolutely, God knows what's best for us, that's why he has rules for us.

society could go on without God and his guidelines, but the morality of society will just deteriorate as it already is and lead to their own destruction. so if that's what you want then go ahead🤷.

society is already guiding morality on their own without religion anyway in my opinion.
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Of course we do.

Without God there would be no morality.

If we lacked morality human traits like kindness would not exist.
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(Original post by FailedMyMocks)
Of course we do.

Without God there would be no morality.

If we lacked morality human traits like kindness would not exist.
Of course there would, and there is. I'm an atheist and I'm as moral as you. Have you seen any atheist bombing and killing people? Oh wait, I've seen religious people do that!
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(Original post by FailedMyMocks)
Of course we do.

Without God there would be no morality.

If we lacked morality human traits like kindness would not exist.
Nonsense. Moral traits are evolutionarily beneficial, we wouldn’t have survived if our primitive ancestors didn’t help each other, share, work together to catch food and look after infants etc. These traits would have existed before religions.

We even see these kind of behaviours in many other social animals, disproving the notion that religion is the source of morality.
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(Original post by iamElectro)
Of course there would, and there is. I'm an atheist and I'm as moral as you. Have you seen any atheist bombing and killing people? Oh wait, I've seen religious people do that!
I would argue that your morality comes from God - The fact that you don't believe in him means nothing.
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I would argue that your morality comes from God - The fact that you don't believe in him means nothing.
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This makes no sense! How do I get my morality from God if I don't believe he EXISTS???
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(Original post by iamElectro)
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This makes no sense! How do I get my morality from God if I don't believe he EXISTS???
God has given you life, what's so absurd in thinking he has given you morality? The fact that you don't believe god exists doesn't mean you don't get your morality from him.
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(Original post by iamElectro)
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This makes no sense! How do I get my morality from God if I don't believe he EXISTS???
Are the delusional fools helping you?
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God has given you life, what's so absurd in thinking he has given you morality? The fact that you don't believe god exists doesn't mean you don't get your morality from him.
God has not GIVEN me life because he DOESN'T FREAKING EXIST!!! You take the existence of God for granted, and I DONT! I'm sorry but you really make no sense... It's like a Muslim telling you "you have to pray to Allah five times per day" (I think it's five I'm not sure) and you reply "but I don't believe in Allah" and he says "but Allah says you HAVE to pray to him". It doesn't make sense to you, right?
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Are the delusional fools helping you?
Who are you talking about?
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