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Right, so at least as far as I'm concerned Communism is the best economic and political ideology ever invented. No, I do not mean Soviet 'Communism', Chinese 'Communism', Cuban, North Korean, Vietnamese, Yugoslav, etc, etc, 'Communism'. As far as I'm concerned, those are all closer to Fascism than they are to real Communism in the sense that Marx envisioned (except Chinese 'Communism', that is closest to a Bourgeois Dictatorship).

So in case you didn't know exactly what I mean by this, I mean a highly decentralised, united world state where the collective resources of society produced by workers according to their ability all across the globe are pooled and redistributed according to need (ie if you biologically have a fast metabolism, you need more food than someone with slow metabolism, a healthy person doesn't need medication, etc), and then excess commodities and goods are completely equally distributed. The ideas of society shift, because, to directly quote the Communist Manifesto:

"Does it require deep intuition to comprehend that man's ideas, views and conceptions, in one word, mans consciousness, changes with every change in the conditions of his material existence, in his social relations and in his social life?What else does the history of ideas proeve, than that intellectual production changrs in chartacter in proportion as material production is changed? The ruling ideas of each age have ever been the ideas of it's ruling class."

Towards a mindset where, instead of being driven to great deeds by a motive for profit, they are instead motivated by a desire to help others, which helps themselves, because in a Communist society the condition for the betterment of the self is the betterment of all.

Before anyone argues "oh but then what if I do more work than this person why do I get paid the same", this is even more prevalent in Capitalist society. A doctor is a member of society many times more valuable and more hard working than a footballer, and yet a footballer is paid an order of magnitude more money than a doctor is. Equally, while you might scoff at a lowly sewage worker, or a bin man, claiming they do no real work and are lucky to get the salaries they have, consider for a moment what your street would look like if those menial workers decided to stop working for even a fortnight, and then decide whether or not those workers do an important, difficult job.

So, then, it is clear to me that Communism, as a theory, and presumably in practice (although obviously after letting Capitalism mature, then going through Socialsm, to gradually reform into Communism), is ideological perfection. Why, then, do people hate it so much? People seem to hate it almost as much as Nazism!
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I will disregard my own opinions on the effectiveness of communism as an ideology and answer your question. People hate Communism because most of them are not aware of the distinction between an ideal communism approach and the brand of communism that is spread by Russia. This connotes dictatorship/ corruption/ economic stagnation. I don’t blame them considering that is the most developed type of Communism and the closest that Marxism was widespread
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Right, so at least as far as I'm concerned Communism is the best economic and political ideology ever invented. No, I do not mean Soviet 'Communism', Chinese 'Communism', Cuban, North Korean, Vietnamese, Yugoslav, etc, etc, 'Communism'. As far as I'm concerned, those are all closer to Fascism than they are to real Communism in the sense that Marx envisioned (except Chinese 'Communism', that is closest to a Bourgeois Dictatorship).

So in case you didn't know exactly what I mean by this, I mean a highly decentralised, united world state where the collective resources of society produced by workers according to their ability all across the globe are pooled and redistributed according to need (ie if you biologically have a fast metabolism, you need more food than someone with slow metabolism, a healthy person doesn't need medication, etc), and then excess commodities and goods are completely equally distributed. The ideas of society shift, because, to directly quote the Communist Manifesto:

"Does it require deep intuition to comprehend that man's ideas, views and conceptions, in one word, mans consciousness, changes with every change in the conditions of his material existence, in his social relations and in his social life?What else does the history of ideas proeve, than that intellectual production changrs in chartacter in proportion as material production is changed? The ruling ideas of each age have ever been the ideas of it's ruling class."

Towards a mindset where, instead of being driven to great deeds by a motive for profit, they are instead motivated by a desire to help others, which helps themselves, because in a Communist society the condition for the betterment of the self is the betterment of all.

Before anyone argues "oh but then what if I do more work than this person why do I get paid the same", this is even more prevalent in Capitalist society. A doctor is a member of society many times more valuable and more hard working than a footballer, and yet a footballer is paid an order of magnitude more money than a doctor is. Equally, while you might scoff at a lowly sewage worker, or a bin man, claiming they do no real work and are lucky to get the salaries they have, consider for a moment what your street would look like if those menial workers decided to stop working for even a fortnight, and then decide whether or not those workers do an important, difficult job.

So, then, it is clear to me that Communism, as a theory, and presumably in practice (although obviously after letting Capitalism mature, then going through Socialsm, to gradually reform into Communism), is ideological perfection. Why, then, do people hate it so much? People seem to hate it almost as much as Nazism!
I strongly agree with you, Cuba set a good example, at least the one closest to achieving a true communist society; whenever I argue the benefits Cuba has had from the revolution the main counterargument is "Well its a small country", despite the fact that is completely irrelevant.

If I were to assume why there is such a large misconception about communism it would be because of the immense amount of propaganda that was produced in the cold war...

Perhaps another reason is greed, maybe ignorance or just repeating an echo.

I'm just as baffled as you.
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So, then, it is clear to me that Communism, as a theory, and presumably in practice (although obviously after letting Capitalism mature, then going through Socialsm, to gradually reform into Communism), is ideological perfection. Why, then, do people hate it so much? People seem to hate it almost as much as Nazism!
Most people who truly hate Communism happen to be people who were subjected to Communist experiments, that is what they refer to when saying they hated it. They don't hate your theory, they hate Communism because it is as much of a jackboot as Nazism and they felt it. Millions of Ukrainians starved as a consequence of Communist policies even if they produced lots of food, to the point of welcoming the Nazis as liberators. They thought their luck had changed, what are we to read into that?

The rest of us merely find it utopian, it's all very well to dream up a brand new version of it but it would always have to incorporate all the negatives in all communist experiments so far. It's all pie in the sky, with all due respect. How to change the world and all the people in it, right.
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I haven't seen a doctor in years but I watch the footy several times a week.
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20 million killed by Stalin
45 million killed by Mao
1.5-3million killed by Pol Pot

Not exactly a rosy past....
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People hate communism for the same reason they hate Nazism. When it gets implemented, people are subjugated and forced into it whether they want it or not, and inevitably a lot of people get killed. Sometimes not too many, but sometimes millions.

In modern times, who are the biggest state killers? The Nazis, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, the Kims. Millions dead. That's not what happens when Marxism fails. That's what happens when Marxism works.
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Real communism is what we saw in those countries and it wasn't pretty.

Fantasy communism is what naive idealists merely talk about.
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It's the greatest no true Scotsman fallacy to ever exist that we see being defended here, really.
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I wouldn’t say people hate communism as much as Facism/Nazism.

If I said I am a communist on TV or in a newspaper, I might get some people laughing at me but that’s about it. If I said I was a Nazi. I am fairly certain I would never see a Televison studio again.
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People hate communism because it won't go away. Communists never admit that their system has caused a great many genocides, famines, authoritarian governments and police states but always justify it in some crude logic or dismiss it as an 'unfortunate side effect.' Fascism and Nazism has widely been disgraced and has disappeared into the underground world of hate speech but communism persists. Most people associate it with some idealistic day-dreamers who cannot recognise the flaws in such a system and cannot adapt their ideology to modern society.
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I definitely understand the issues with communism, the main one for me being it isn’t compatible with the current human nature. Aspiring for luxury, expecting reward equivalent to your work and the need for motivation to do any kind of hard work are deeply ingrained to every human being. Capitalism has developed mindset that is to humans as swimming is to fishes. I really don’t feel like communism is a feasible state for us.

With that being said, I have realised the huge benefits to it. The biggest one for me being the following. Consider how many people in first world countries alone go through stress and depression on a daily basis worrying about money, how they’re going to put food on the table or provide for their children. The amount of people that kill themselves in an attempt to be able to afford the same lifestyles as their friends or enemies. Communism eliminates this entirely.

We’d essentially live in a world where there really isn’t anything to worry about other than your health. Honestly, I think that would be quite amazing, even with all the things we as a species have grown to love that we would be forced to sacrifice.
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I think it's because communists never admit that in practice 'ideal' communism does become stalinism or fascism. The definition of fascism is 'a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.' If you even slightly look at historical evidence you see that communist systems are almost defined by this. I know that this is what you're protesting but i think the nature of communism leads directly murderous dictatorships.
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20 million killed by Stalin
45 million killed by Mao
1.5-3million killed by Pol Pot

Not exactly a rosy past....
They are not communists they are murders, refer to them by what they are.

To those here who have taken in the argument and still disagreed with it, you have a small fraction of my admiration. To those who ignored the argument provided and repeated the same ******** and just denied its existence like always you have no respect from me.

Every country that has waved the red flag for the last 100 years has had interference by capitalist countries then people wonder why the government of said country becomes corrupt...

Also would anyone like to answer my question:
Why did the US attempt to kill Fidel Castro over 600 times?
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I think it's because communists never admit that in practice 'ideal' communism does become stalinism or fascism. The definition of fascism is 'a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.' If you even slightly look at historical evidence you see that communist systems are almost defined by this. I know that this is what you're protesting but i think the nature of communism leads directly murderous dictatorships.
Wrong, also dictatorships form not for power but to prevent a capitalist or fascist getting into power via democracy thus undoing all of the revolutions work making thousands die in vain.

EDIT: and capitalists can NEVER admit that capitalism is simply controlled poverty governed by greed that eventually collapses becoming radical and either falling to the two polar opposites(fascism or communism) if not socialism.
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They are not communists they are murders, refer to them by what they are.

To those here who have taken in the argument and still disagreed with it, you have a small fraction of my admiration. To those who ignored the argument provided and repeated the same ******** and just denied its existence like always you have no respect from me.

Every country that has waved the red flag for the last 100 years has had interference by capitalist countries then people wonder why the government of said country becomes corrupt...

Also would anyone like to answer my question:
Why did the US attempt to kill Fidel Castro over 600 times?
Because it failed 599 times. It’s a perception communism has like it or not.

A lot of countries interfere with a lot of countries, communist or not.

By your logic Hitler and Mussolini were not fascists, they were murders then.
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Also would anyone like to answer my question:
Why did the US attempt to kill Fidel Castro over 600 times?
Because they didn't want Communism on their doorstep any more than the Soviets did with Democracy on theirs?
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Right, so at least as far as I'm concerned Communism is the best economic and political ideology ever invented. No, I do not mean Soviet 'Communism', Chinese 'Communism', Cuban, North Korean, Vietnamese, Yugoslav, etc, etc, 'Communism'. As far as I'm concerned, those are all closer to Fascism than they are to real Communism in the sense that Marx envisioned (except Chinese 'Communism', that is closest to a Bourgeois Dictatorship).

So in case you didn't know exactly what I mean by this, I mean a highly decentralised, united world state where the collective resources of society produced by workers according to their ability all across the globe are pooled and redistributed according to need (ie if you biologically have a fast metabolism, you need more food than someone with slow metabolism, a healthy person doesn't need medication, etc), and then excess commodities and goods are completely equally distributed. The ideas of society shift, because, to directly quote the Communist Manifesto:

"Does it require deep intuition to comprehend that man's ideas, views and conceptions, in one word, mans consciousness, changes with every change in the conditions of his material existence, in his social relations and in his social life?What else does the history of ideas proeve, than that intellectual production changrs in chartacter in proportion as material production is changed? The ruling ideas of each age have ever been the ideas of it's ruling class."

Towards a mindset where, instead of being driven to great deeds by a motive for profit, they are instead motivated by a desire to help others, which helps themselves, because in a Communist society the condition for the betterment of the self is the betterment of all.

Before anyone argues "oh but then what if I do more work than this person why do I get paid the same", this is even more prevalent in Capitalist society. A doctor is a member of society many times more valuable and more hard working than a footballer, and yet a footballer is paid an order of magnitude more money than a doctor is. Equally, while you might scoff at a lowly sewage worker, or a bin man, claiming they do no real work and are lucky to get the salaries they have, consider for a moment what your street would look like if those menial workers decided to stop working for even a fortnight, and then decide whether or not those workers do an important, difficult job.

So, then, it is clear to me that Communism, as a theory, and presumably in practice (although obviously after letting Capitalism mature, then going through Socialsm, to gradually reform into Communism), is ideological perfection. Why, then, do people hate it so much? People seem to hate it almost as much as Nazism!
what would be the incentive to come to work every day if ur not gaining for urself
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Because the many examples of communism we see are not very positive ones, so it's easy to see communism as something that will always fail.
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Because it failed 599 times. It’s a perception communism has like it or not.

A lot of countries interfere with a lot of countries, communist or not.

By your logic Hitler and Mussolini were not fascists, they were murders then.
That is not my 'logic' im sure you can connote my point well enough without twisting it, my point is that if you murder the innocent you become a fascist, therefore Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin etc... are in fact fascists not communists.

Im afraid you got the incorrect answer, they attempted to kill him 638 times to be exact simply because Cuba despite the interference was doing well, extraordinarily well, revealing that capitalism was not as perfect as it portrayed itself to be. So they decided to try to kill him because they thought he could potentially incite a revolution in america.

"A lot of countries interfere with a lot of countries, communist or not." could you imagine the utopian world in which every country was united in communism, there would be no reason for military and certainly no interfering given the leaders were not corrupt; the reason why there would be no provocation and the like is simply because there is no motive for a government in a communist country other than to help its people.
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