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    I passed the FSAC and narrowly missed out at the final stage but was offered a HEO position regardless.

    I won't reapply for the Fast Stream because HEO is same grade as Fast Streamers start on. I'm very curious about the rate of progression though. On the FS you're expected to reach Grade 7 after 4 years.

    Is this possible if you start on a normal HEO role as well? I hear so much about people remaining on the same grade for years on end. If you're ambitious can you reach Grade 7 within broadly the same time frame?

    How long should it take before you can viably apply for SEO and then G7.
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    It depends what government department you're working for? Progression can be quite quick in places like HMRC as there are a multitude of roles.
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    (Original post by CivilServant2018)
    It depends what government department you're working for? Progression can be quite quick in places like HMRC as there are a multitude of roles.
    I'd be very open to moving departments. I'm just trying to get a general idea if I could go from HEO to SEO to G7 within 4 odd years.
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    (Original post by unigoer123)
    I'd be very open to moving departments. I'm just trying to get a general idea if I could go from HEO to SEO to G7 within 4 odd years.
    Too many variables at play here, but in short it is definitely possible.

    I personally know non FS analysts (stats,OR,econ,SR) that have got to G7 quicker than 4 years whereas others are still at HEO ten years later.

    What it comes down to is seeking opportunities to develop your weaknesses in the promotion grades competency framework and then being able to convey your experiences well in the form of competency interviews & sifts
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    (bump) Any other thoughts?
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    I work in the civil service too and although it's theoretically possible, but it's highly unlikely you'd progress that fast. I don't want people to give you false hope when a lot of higher positions are designed with particular people in mind.
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    (Original post by Plydva)
    I work in the civil service too and although it's theoretically possible, but it's highly unlikely you'd progress that fast. I don't want people to give you false hope when a lot of higher positions are designed with particular people in mind.
    That sounds very pessimistic given my conversations with several other people in the CS outside of this thread.

    I've seen people progress that fast. Plus you mention higher positions are designed for 'particular people'. I graduated from a UK Top 3 university, passed the FSAC and am entering at HEO - which is already the graduate grade.

    Its not like I'm trying to go from AO to G7.
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    (Original post by unigoer123)
    That sounds very pessimistic given my conversations with several other people in the CS outside of this thread.

    I've seen people progress that fast. Plus you mention higher positions are designed for 'particular people'. I graduated from a UK Top 3 university, passed the FSAC and am entering at HEO - which is already the graduate grade.

    Its not like I'm trying to go from AO to G7.
    Wait so you aren't a Fast Streamer? Are you on the direct appointment scheme? If you're actually a Fast Streamer then you shouldn't worry about progression at all.

    Your education doesn't make a difference once you are in a job so make sure to not rely on this crutch anymore. People with 30 years of experience on you will choke into their drinks if you bring that up as something of merit. Some of the most experienced people where you may work will be AO grade but don't want to progress because of family circumstances etc.

    It's more about the relationships you build and the willingness to explore additional responsibilities within your role and not shy away from training. Become good at your job, but clarify with your line manager what your long term goals are. If you want to move to SEO then ask what you can do to make this possible during your review and what competencies you may be weak in. Make no assumptions. Also some departments are more difficult to progress in, especially if they are smaller with lifers filling up middle management positions waiting for their pension. Maybe look at other departments that are close and see what skills you need for it and if you can develop them in your current role.

    You can make SEO in 2 years but you need to be dedicated. A lot of people neglect to become good at their current job as they're too focused on developing for another one. Bad idea. People do ask around in the CS to see what you're like, as petty as that sounds.
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    I thought I'd throw in my 2p. I joined the civil service last year as a direct appointment HEO in November. I've just accepted a promotion to a different department as a SEO. I'm aiming for G7 in another two years.It can be done, you just have to want it and work for it. I regularly asked my G6 and SCS1 to participate in things like ministerial meetings and boards they go to etc.
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    People do.People sometimes do it in less. My former boss went from HEO to G7 in a year but had other experience. HEO to SEO in 2 years, then SEO to G7 in 2 years is totally feasible for anybody that managed to get far in the fast stream. Honestly, HEO to SEO in 1 year is increasingly normal.
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    (Original post by -=|Jay|=-)
    I thought I'd throw in my 2p. I joined the civil service last year as a direct appointment HEO in November. I've just accepted a promotion to a different department as a SEO. I'm aiming for G7 in another two years.It can be done, you just have to want it and work for it. I regularly asked my G6 and SCS1 to participate in things like ministerial meetings and boards they go to etc.
    Thank you that's very helpful. Are there any other tips you would give that helped you aside from participating in meetings etc to really get a step up. And do you think then that you will be able to achieve the same grade as a Fast Streamer and that you're not overtly disadvantaged?

    Thanks again.
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    (Original post by unigoer123)
    Thank you that's very helpful. Are there any other tips you would give that helped you aside from participating in meetings etc to really get a step up. And do you think then that you will be able to achieve the same grade as a Fast Streamer and that you're not overtly disadvantaged?

    Thanks again.
    I'm a current CS. I have been an EO for 15 months. I find it's all down to how well you write your competencies, rather than how adept and suitable you are. I've been struggling to get a single interview for HEO roles, and I've got a wealth of experience in life. It's down to how the vacancy holders interpret your competencies and whether you're lucky enough to have someone give you enough marks to get invited to an interview. My competencies have been tweaked and improved and played with by senior managers, and still I don't get interviews. So if you want to step up quickly, I'd recommend becoming an expert at writing competencies (though that still doesn't mean it'll pass, as it's down to the individual who reads it as to how well they "get it").
    You need to score 4 or above on all competency answers you submit. A single 3 will fail you. It's scored out of 7.
 
 
 
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