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Who thinks communism is great?
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I wouldn’t say I’m a communist, but I am sympathetic to some degree to aspects of the USSR and China today.

I’d rather be a tankie than a liberal
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I’d rather be a tankie than a liberal
Why?
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I think former USSR countries such as Russia, Hungary and Poland are happier and healthier societies than Countries in the ‘free’ west.
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I think former USSR countries such as Russia, Hungary and Poland are happier and healthier societies than Countries in the ‘free’ west.
Well, only Russia was in the actual USSR, but now those societies are all capitalist.
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Well, only Russia was in the actual USSR, but now those societies are all capitalist.
Those countries were essentially run by the USSR though.

Sure, but all countries are to some extent even China and North Korea. And that even my change until ‘world communism’ (in theory)
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but now those societies are all capitalist.
Post soviet Russia isn't exactly an advert for capitalism.
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Post soviet Russia isn't exactly an advert for capitalism.
Poland is a very developed country with a very high GDP. Hungary is also a member of the Visgerad 4 along with Slovakia, Poland and the Czech Republic. All these countries have quite right wing governments. Putin isn't really a communist although has communist sympathisers
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I think former USSR countries such as Russia, Hungary and Poland are happier and healthier societies than Countries in the ‘free’ west.
By what measures? Why do you say 'free'?
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By what measures?
Well for one thing, their governments are highly popular and do policies that their citizens actually want and benefit from. for instance, in Poland the government pays generous bursaries for each child a married family produces so that people can afford to have children rather than just import mass immigration to replace the existing population. This is why Putin and Orban have sky-high popularity ratings, compared that with abysmal ones of May, Merkel and Macron.


Why do you say 'free'?
Because i'm a Realist (in an IR sense) i believe that all states essentially act the same way. the idea that western liberal democracies are really any different from the other kinds of states i don't believe is true and is essentially just propaganda.

Liberal democracies are just a lot more creative and effective when engaging in the sorts of crimes that non liberal democracies commit.

When your countries main parties are all bought and paid for by the same international clique you have a one party state.

The state may not censor you, but this becomes irrelevant when third party monopolies such as Facebook and google are more than happy to obliege

and so on and so forth.
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Well for one thing, their governments are highly popular and do policies that their citizens actually want and benefit from. for instance, in Poland the government pays generous bursaries for each child a married family produces so that people can afford to have children rather than just import mass immigration to replace the existing population. This is why Putin and Orban have sky-high popularity ratings, compared that with abysmal ones of May, Merkel and Macron.

Because i'm a Realist (in an IR sense) i believe that all states essentially act the same way. the idea that western liberal democracies are really any different from the other kinds of states i don't believe is true and is essentially just propaganda.

Liberal democracies are just a lot more creative and effective when engaging in the sorts of crimes that non liberal democracies commit.

When your countries main parties are all bought and paid for by the same international clique you have a one party state.

The state may not censor you, but this becomes irrelevant when third party monopolies such as Facebook and google are more than happy to obliege

and so on and so forth.
High government popularity doesn't necessarily mean that people are happy, at least not in comparison to more western countries. Approval ratings can reflect a whole number of things. For example, George Bush's approval rating skyrocketed after 9/11. This had nothing to do with happiness in day-to-day US life; it was his response to the terrorist attack and the action his government had taken thereafter.

When happiness comes to mind I would have thought that suicide rates are a good indicator. Poland, Hungary and Russia all have a much worse problem with suicide than France and Germany. The UK is doing the best out of the six. Other more western countries like Denmark, Netherlands, Italy, etc, all do better.
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Who thinks communism is great?
Like the first poster I am sympathetic. Highly. However I don't believe in state ownership.

I'm a libertarian socialist. Close enough.
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(Original post by SHallowvale)
High government popularity doesn't necessarily mean that people are happy, at least not in comparison to more western countries. Approval ratings can reflect a whole number of things. For example, George Bush's approval rating skyrocketed after 9/11. This had nothing to do with happiness in day-to-day US life; it was his response to the terrorist attack and the action his government had taken thereafter.

When happiness comes to mind I would have thought that suicide rates are a good indicator. Poland, Hungary and Russia all have a much worse problem with suicide than France and Germany. The UK is doing the best out of the six. Other more western countries like Denmark, Netherlands, Italy, etc, all do better.
Sure, any leader can boost they’re appeal particularly at war time- but this can’t be sustained and doesn’t itself lead to popularity- see Blair.

Suicide is of course a sign that something is going wrong. Europe has more suicides than other continents. However it alone isn’t enough to measure a successful country- third world countries have lower suicide rate that doesn’t mean they’re better places to live.
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sh*t. the commies are back
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Europe has more suicides than other continents.
Depends how you measure it. If you just look at a simplistic No. of suicides per year: Population ratio, then yeah, Europe has more suicides. But that doesn't really take into account that Europe also has higher life expectancy. When you control for that, Europe is much more average. What really stands out about suicide rates in Europe is the huge gender divergence. Vastly more European men commit suicide than women - in most of the rest of the world, the gender disparity is much smaller.
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Believe Cuba is the only true as it can get communist country, China is not a communist country.
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real tankie hours
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We have seen from Venezuela that political ideologies like communism and socialism do not work. As Maggie said the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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I used to, but I really don't think it's a workable ideology at all.
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