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ant87
i personally think we should.
well, what do people think?
well, what do people think?
No. But dramatically reform it so it acts as a safety net health service dealing with emergencies for everyone and non emergencies for those that cannot afford an alternative.
Everyone who can afford it should take out private insurance and be awarded a tax break to offset the decreased burden on the NHS.
thats kind of what i was getting at. i dont see why everyone should be entitled to *free* healthcare. it is hugely inefficient and needs vast reform.
for example, my mother has a chronic condition, meaning she has to take regular medication every day for the rest of her life. she gets it free. but this also entitles her to get any other prescriptions completely free as well. she has tried to pay for it, but for some reason they won't let her. me and my brothers and sisters all go to private school, so we could obviously afford to pay, yet they wont let her.
that doesnt seem right does it?
for example, my mother has a chronic condition, meaning she has to take regular medication every day for the rest of her life. she gets it free. but this also entitles her to get any other prescriptions completely free as well. she has tried to pay for it, but for some reason they won't let her. me and my brothers and sisters all go to private school, so we could obviously afford to pay, yet they wont let her.
that doesnt seem right does it?
ant87
thats kind of what i was getting at. i dont see why everyone should be entitled to *free* healthcare. it is hugely inefficiant and needs vast reform.
for example, my mother has a chrnic condition, meaning she has to take regular medication every day for the rest of her life. she gets it free. but this also entitles her to get any other prescriptions completely free as well. she has tried to pay for it, but for some reason they won't let her. me and my brothers and sisters all go to private school, so we could obviously aford to pay, yet they wont let her.
that doesnt seem right does it?
for example, my mother has a chrnic condition, meaning she has to take regular medication every day for the rest of her life. she gets it free. but this also entitles her to get any other prescriptions completely free as well. she has tried to pay for it, but for some reason they won't let her. me and my brothers and sisters all go to private school, so we could obviously aford to pay, yet they wont let her.
that doesnt seem right does it?
Why does she get it free? I know many people with chronic conditions who do not get their medication free. I was under the impression that you can only get prescriptions free through economic need. You can buy pre-payment certificates that cost a certain amount per year which entitles you to 'free' prescriptions but that was it I thought.
Also explain why you do not think people are entitled to free at the point of use health care?
Catt
Why does she get it free? I know many people with chronic conditions who do not get their medication free. I was under the impression that you can only get prescriptions free through economic need. You can buy pre-payment certificates that cost a certain amount per year which entitles you to 'free' prescriptions but that was it I thought.
Also explain why you do not think people are entitled to free at the point of use health care?
Also explain why you do not think people are entitled to free at the point of use health care?
She doesn't get it free. She's probably paid for it through taxation. Why should she pay for it again?
ant87
thats kind of what i was getting at. i dont see why everyone should be entitled to *free* healthcare. it is hugely inefficiant and needs vast reform.
for example, my mother has a chrnic condition, meaning she has to take regular medication every day for the rest of her life. she gets it free. but this also entitles her to get any other prescriptions completely free as well. she has tried to pay for it, but for some reason they won't let her. me and my brothers and sisters all go to private school, so we could obviously aford to pay, yet they wont let her.
that doesnt seem right does it?
for example, my mother has a chrnic condition, meaning she has to take regular medication every day for the rest of her life. she gets it free. but this also entitles her to get any other prescriptions completely free as well. she has tried to pay for it, but for some reason they won't let her. me and my brothers and sisters all go to private school, so we could obviously aford to pay, yet they wont let her.
that doesnt seem right does it?
Is this how young Tories think? If so, it's going to be a long time in the wilderness for you...
Catt
Why does she get it free? I know many people with chronic conditions who do not get their medication free. I was under the impression that you can only get prescriptions free through economic need. You can buy pre-payment certificates that cost a certain amount per year which entitles you to 'free' prescriptions but that was it I thought.
Also explain why you do not think people are entitled to free at the point of use health care?
Also explain why you do not think people are entitled to free at the point of use health care?
People suffering from certain conditions. Although there are many conditions requiring permanent medication, only the following qualify for exemption:
* A permanent fistula requiring dressing.
* Forms of hypoadrenalism, such as Addison's Disease.
* Diabetes insipidus and other forms of hypopituitarism.
* Diabetes mellitus except where treatment is by diet alone.
* Hypoparathyroidism.
* Myasthenia gravis.
* Myxoedema (underactive thyroid) or other conditions where supplemental thyroid hormone is necessary.
* Epilepsy requiring continuous anti-convulsive therapy.
* A permanent fistula requiring dressing.
* Forms of hypoadrenalism, such as Addison's Disease.
* Diabetes insipidus and other forms of hypopituitarism.
* Diabetes mellitus except where treatment is by diet alone.
* Hypoparathyroidism.
* Myasthenia gravis.
* Myxoedema (underactive thyroid) or other conditions where supplemental thyroid hormone is necessary.
* Epilepsy requiring continuous anti-convulsive therapy.
http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23069022/
Howard
Because anything that is free gets overconsumed as you would learn if you ever tried to sell something for nothing.
The keyword here is positive externalities. A healthy workforce greatly benefits the economy. Thus the benefits of me being healthy is not merely my own personal benefits, but also the benefits to society in terms of the work I do. As Im sure you know, one handles positive externalities through subsidies. The NHS is one way to heavily subsidise health care, lowering the effective price consumers see to zero (or whatever minimum fee you have to pay). The real issue here is how large the positive externalities from healthcare are, and how they are distributed among the consumers. This is why both arguments for and against free healthcare can be consistent with economic theory, it all depends on the magnitude and distribution of positive externalities. Because positive externalities due to healthcare are very difficult to measure, one therefore does not really have any objective data to base ones policy on, and therefore it tends to boil down to normative opinions rather than economic facts. The thing with a normative debate is that noone can really be said the be right or wrong, one can merely say whether one agree or not. Thus whereas in Economy, you have one objective answer to most questions, in Politics your answer will depend on your own individual sets of values (e.g freedom, equality , brotherhood etc...)
Is this how young Tories think? If so, it's going to be a long time in the wilderness for you...
No it is not!
The NHS must be reformed, but it will remain the basis of our countries healthcare well into the future.
To quote Margaret Thatcher:
"There is no such thing as a free health service"
We all pay for the NHS through taxation, and whether the service is actually delivered through the public or private sector, it must remain free at the point of use.
There are arguements about over-utilisation of a free service, but I do not believe privatisation is the answer, and it is not on the Conservaitve agenda!
What is on the agenda is giving patients the choice to recieve care at any institution charging NHS prices. This will create an internal market, and it should bring down waiting lists.
Another Tory proposal is to give private patients half of the cost of their treatment. This is more than fair, considering that at presernt they effectively pay twice for their private care.
Private healthcare is vital to take the burden off the NHS and this proposal will ensure that the private sector continues to provide this important role. Hopefully the two proposals will open up healthcare to a wider variety of people by bringing the private and voluntary sector into the NHS and by reducing the costs of private healthcare for many ordinary people.
Jonatan
The keyword here is positive externalities. A healthy workforce greatly benefits the economy. Thus the benefits of me being healthy is not merely my own personal benefits, but also the benefits to society in terms of the work I do. As Im sure you know, one handles positive externalities through subsidies. The NHS is one way to heavily subsidise health care, lowering the effective price consumers see to zero (or whatever minimum fee you have to pay). The real issue here is how large the positive externalities from healthcare are, and how they are distributed among the consumers. This is why both arguments for and against free healthcare can be consistent with economic theory, it all depends on the magnitude and distribution of positive externalities. Because positive externalities due to healthcare are very difficult to measure, one therefore does not really have any objective data to base ones policy on, and therefore it tends to boil down to normative opinions rather than economic facts. The thing with a normative debate is that noone can really be said the be right or wrong, one can merely say whether one agree or not. Thus whereas in Economy, you have one objective answer to most questions, in Politics your answer will depend on your own individual sets of values (e.g freedom, equality , brotherhood etc...)
So I'm right then.
my mothers healthcare was not intended to be the basis of the discussion. i do not know the ins and outs of it, but mentioned it merely to illustrate how inefficient the NHS is. for example, breast implants are offered on the NHS to those who can 'prove' that they are sufficiently mentally scarred and so on....
(for the record, the condition my mother suffers from is on the list posted by Pencil Queen)
(for the record, the condition my mother suffers from is on the list posted by Pencil Queen)
ant87
my mothers healthcare was not intended to be the basis of the discussion. i do not know the ins and outs of it, but mentioned it merely to illustrate how inefficient the NHS is. for example, breast implants are offered on the NHS to those who can 'prove' that they are sufficiently mentally scarred and so on....
(for the record, the condition my mother suffers from is on the list posted by Pencil Queen)
(for the record, the condition my mother suffers from is on the list posted by Pencil Queen)
I wonder if I can get a much needed penis reduction?
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