(Original post by RJomana)
Their ideology is not being denied,all of the muslim community know of the disgusting acts they commit in the name of "Islam",when if they were questioned regarding the fundamental acts of faith they would not know.Frankly they have no ideology to follow,the people they have horrifically murdered cowardly is not what Islam had taught,
This position is not only ironic but quite common. It is more often the modern, western moderate Muslim who is unaware of the true nature and content of Islamic ideology and scripture.
no innocent should have been killed in these gruesome acts
Unfortunately, the Islamic definition of "innocent" is not the same as the modern, liberal one. The Quran, sunnah and classical tafsir are quite clear that anyone who actively refuses to submit to Islam is
"innocent". Verses 5:32-33 in the Quran state this, and it is clarified in the sunnah and tafsir. This link should help https://quranx.com/Tafsirs/5.33
As far as ISIS are concerned, Muslims who oppose their implementation of a strict literalist, retentionist Islam is munafiq and therefore "not innocent".
and yet they are which immediately takes them out of the fold of Islam as killing a person unjustly is major sin.
Killing a non-Muslim is not an act of kufr and does not "take them out of the fold of Islam".
I work in an Islamic school,I sit in on their Islamic lessons,and coming form a non-islamic background the things these boys are taught are simply amazing:they are taught to follow the path of their Prophet Muhammad who is the best of examples an honest,peaceful man who would have condemned these acts had he been alive today
It is obvious that what was taught in that school is a sanitised and cherry-picked version of Islam.
Muhammad was a man of his time and position. A religious leader and warlord who could be brutally intolerant, who executed prisoners, tortured people to death and married and had sex with a 9-year-old girl. This idea of an honest, peaceful, morally admirable man is not even supported by authentic, near-contemporary Islamic histories.
I have been to many open days to different mosques,and during the weekends I regularly attend talks at the local mosque designed to improve the character of adults.I have been to a talk held specifically around terrorism and how the Islamic schools,mosques are all trying to steer people back to the correct way,they teach the teens that this is not what Islam teaches,at all the talks I have attended at different mosques all the preachers have strongly condemned these attacks .
"The behaviour of Muslims" and "The content of Islamic Ideology" are two often different things.
My usual example is slavery and using female captives for sex. I think we can both agree that these things are barbaric and impossible to condone or justify under any context. Most Muslims would condemn such actions. However, the Quran and sunnah explicitly allow both. So, we have the conflict between civilised behaviour and Islam.
so in my opinion the muslim community does do enough it is people like us who are scared of them and have an "us and you" attitude.
Yet at the same time those same Muslims will claim that the Quran is perfect and immutable and Muhammad is the perfect role model for all humanity - and both explicitly promote an "us and you" attitude.
have seen a group of Imams crying because they feel shunned by the non-muslim community who feel they are the source of all evil in the world.
I would be interested to know if these imams condemn the passages in the Quran and sunnah that explicitly permit Muslims to use their female captives for sex. Or if they condemn Muhammad's actions when he tortured people to death. Or if they condemn the verse in the Quran that allows a husband to beat a disobedient wife (under certain circumstances). I suspect that they do not. In which case, they deserve to be shunned.