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Even with all the foreign aid that other countries have been providing them, it seems these two areas are just absolutely incapable of forming or maintaining a fair, safe, non-corrupt or successful society / economy.
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You can only go so far in blaming slavery and empires. Ultimately it’s corrupt governments and lack of resources.
You can only go so far in blaming slavery and empires. Ultimately it’s corrupt governments and lack of resources.
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(Original post by Lopau6)
Even with all the foreign aid that other countries have been providing them, it seems these two areas are just absolutely incapable of forming or maintaining a fair, safe, non-corrupt or successful society / economy.
Even with all the foreign aid that other countries have been providing them, it seems these two areas are just absolutely incapable of forming or maintaining a fair, safe, non-corrupt or successful society / economy.
I mean as far as areas go, in particular the ME, it matters not if the area is a 'lost cause' or not its far too important to be left alone. Not to mention you have two extremes there i.e. civil war and what not in place such as Syria and Iraq but in the Gulf kingdoms it is, for all intents and purposes, peachy. Even Iran is doing rather well, despite its economic woes.
A point for you to bear in mind though. You appear to be looking at these places through a western, liberal, democratic and indeed thoroughly modern moral framework. Whilst there is nothing wrong with doing that, per se, It should be noted that from a realist perspective it simply doesnt work doing that for certain places. Equally, specifically on the democracy front, democracy would likely be a thoroughly bad thing for several of the countries in this region. To take a couple of examples; in a 'democratic' society white farmers [to use a hoary old cliche] would be strung up by the masses in south africa. Nigeria would [and some would say is] imploding through ethnic conflict. And finally we have seen the popular will writ large in countries like Syria, Iraq and to varying degrees Lebanon where the popular will of the people is simply incompatible amongst the various ethnicities/sects/tribes/religious groups. I wont go as far as blaming colonialism for all of these countries woes but a simple fact that cannot be ignored is that the boundary drawing done by the former colonial powers was sloppy, half arsed and frankly moronic in a lot of cases when it lumped together utterly different peoples into a single country - the same sort of argument that is being peddled by anti-immigration activists in europe now, now that i come to think of it.
Food for thought.
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You can only go so far in blaming slavery and empires. Ultimately it’s corrupt governments and lack of resources.
Who knows?
You can only go so far in blaming slavery and empires. Ultimately it’s corrupt governments and lack of resources.
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(Original post by akbar0123)
Can’t really blame them when Britain screwed up about a third of the world
Can’t really blame them when Britain screwed up about a third of the world
"Even with all the foreign aid that other countries have been providing the"
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(Original post by RickHendricks)
did u even read the OP?
"Even with all the foreign aid that other countries have been providing the"
did u even read the OP?
"Even with all the foreign aid that other countries have been providing the"
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(Original post by akbar0123)
Giving foreign aid to the countries you once invaded and pillaged is like putting a little finger bandage on a shotgun wound. It’s nothing compared to the damage that Britain and other countries did.
Giving foreign aid to the countries you once invaded and pillaged is like putting a little finger bandage on a shotgun wound. It’s nothing compared to the damage that Britain and other countries did.
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(Original post by Lopau6)
Looks like someone has BlameTheWhites derangement syndrome. Africa has had enough time and monetary aid to recover from that. And Britain did not invade all Middle Eastern countries (who, by the way, did some invading themselves too).
Looks like someone has BlameTheWhites derangement syndrome. Africa has had enough time and monetary aid to recover from that. And Britain did not invade all Middle Eastern countries (who, by the way, did some invading themselves too).
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(Original post by Lopau6)
Looks like someone has BlameTheWhites derangement syndrome. Africa has had enough time and monetary aid to recover from that, particularly since they are so oil and mineral rich.
Looks like someone has BlameTheWhites derangement syndrome. Africa has had enough time and monetary aid to recover from that, particularly since they are so oil and mineral rich.
And Britain did not invade all Middle Eastern countries (who, by the way, did some invading themselves too).
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(Original post by akbar0123)
Lol I think you’re grossly underestimating how badly places like Africa, Middle East and India were destroyed. Looks like someone has a case of classic fascism.
Lol I think you’re grossly underestimating how badly places like Africa, Middle East and India were destroyed. Looks like someone has a case of classic fascism.
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(Original post by Rainfall)
Maybe you shouldn’t have ****ing colonised them
Maybe you shouldn’t have ****ing colonised them
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(Original post by Lopau6)
Keep crying that excuse. Saudia Arabia was never colonized, and is the most oil rich country in the world. Still a corrupt hellhole for most people living there.
Keep crying that excuse. Saudia Arabia was never colonized, and is the most oil rich country in the world. Still a corrupt hellhole for most people living there.
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(Original post by Rainfall)
Maybe you shouldn’t have ****ing colonised them
Maybe you shouldn’t have ****ing colonised them
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(Original post by akbar0123)
Can’t really blame them when Britain screwed up about a third of the world
Can’t really blame them when Britain screwed up about a third of the world
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(Original post by Underscore__)
It’s funny that whilst being told the British Empire is at fault for the civil wars by drawing national boarders to encompass different ethnic groups we’re told that multiculturalism and immigration is the best thing since sliced bread. Can different ethnic groups coexist or not?
It’s funny that whilst being told the British Empire is at fault for the civil wars by drawing national boarders to encompass different ethnic groups we’re told that multiculturalism and immigration is the best thing since sliced bread. Can different ethnic groups coexist or not?
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(Original post by Rainfall)
Maybe you shouldn’t have ****ing colonised them
Maybe you shouldn’t have ****ing colonised them
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(Original post by akbar0123)
Giving foreign aid to the countries you once invaded and pillaged is like putting a little finger bandage on a shotgun wound. It’s nothing compared to the damage that Britain and other countries did.
Giving foreign aid to the countries you once invaded and pillaged is like putting a little finger bandage on a shotgun wound. It’s nothing compared to the damage that Britain and other countries did.
You wouldn't allow somebody who hates you to enter your house?
So why do we take care of those with intense grudges and allow them to settle here and cause havoc?
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(Original post by HighOnGoofballs)
Are you equating colonialism in the same universe as multiculturalism or immigration?
Are you equating colonialism in the same universe as multiculturalism or immigration?
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