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Arran90
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Why are there very few black Marxists in Britain and even fewer Asian Marxists? I have never understood the appeal of Marx but it seems like his band of followers is almost exclusively white.
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Not sure what the figures are but it could be down to the fact that we're just a white majority country but Marxism does seem to be a fad right now for Left Wing white people, you see them on youtube and stuff claiming that Communism/Marxism is the way forward and that Capitalism is disgusting etc.
Communism will never work for as long as Humans are competitive and greedy.
Communism will never work for as long as Humans are competitive and greedy.
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Even in urban areas with large black and Asian population the Marxists are almost all white.
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You could say the same about feminists.
Where are all the black feminists?
Also just like Marxist they are primarily made up of white middle class
Could it be something to do with the fact that large numbers of feminists are Marxists too?
Where are all the black feminists?
Also just like Marxist they are primarily made up of white middle class
Could it be something to do with the fact that large numbers of feminists are Marxists too?
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Could it be something to do with the fact that large numbers of feminists are Marxists too?
Could it be something to do with the fact that large numbers of feminists are Marxists too?
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I notice you left out the main one "white middle-class"
Where are the black Marxists and feminists?
Where are the black Marxists and feminists?
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Considering communism really only took hold in poorer less developed countries, I am willing to bet there are many Asian/Black Marxists.
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Considering communism really only took hold in poorer less developed countries, I am willing to bet there are many Asian/Black Marxists.
Considering communism really only took hold in poorer less developed countries, I am willing to bet there are many Asian/Black Marxists.
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(Original post by Arran90)
Several African countries flirted with communism but their leaders were more inspired by the Soviet Union and its rapid industrialisation than the theories of Marxism. They were more interested in the development of their countries rather than conflicts between the social classes.
Several African countries flirted with communism but their leaders were more inspired by the Soviet Union and its rapid industrialisation than the theories of Marxism. They were more interested in the development of their countries rather than conflicts between the social classes.
Another aspect tying this to Marxism is how central the Soviet Union was in the anti-imperialism of what you are describing. There may not have been much in the way of internal class struggle, but in a geopoltical context all of this was very much in opposition to global capitalism screwing over the poorer countries it had plundered.
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I agree to an extent. But they used the "Marxism" of Lenin to do this. They used the same type of centralised great leaps forward that was characteristic of early communism. I agree this is not uniquely Marxist. but it is what Marxists in power were doing in a lot of countries and communism was a much bigger thing in the poorer less developed countries. There certainly were Marxists in these countries
I agree to an extent. But they used the "Marxism" of Lenin to do this. They used the same type of centralised great leaps forward that was characteristic of early communism. I agree this is not uniquely Marxist. but it is what Marxists in power were doing in a lot of countries and communism was a much bigger thing in the poorer less developed countries. There certainly were Marxists in these countries
If the industrialised Soviet Union did not exist in the post war years, and Marxism was still a political theory largely confined to intellectuals in western nations obsessed with class struggle, then I doubt that any leaders of underdeveloped countries and former colonies would have even bothered with it.
Another aspect tying this to Marxism is how central the Soviet Union was in the anti-imperialism of what you are describing. There may not have been much in the way of internal class struggle, but in a geopoltical context all of this was very much in opposition to global capitalism screwing over the poorer countries it had plundered.
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(Original post by Arran90)
It was more Lenin than Marx. The Soviet Union was a beacon of inspiration for many underdeveloped countries in the post war decades because communism had transformed it from a backwards agrarian country into a heavily industrialised country with a powerful military in a space of just a few decades with no outside help. The Soviet Communists in the mid 20th century were a far cry from the white middle class Marxists of Britain.
If the industrialised Soviet Union did not exist in the post war years, and Marxism was still a political theory largely confined to intellectuals in western nations obsessed with class struggle, then I doubt that any leaders of underdeveloped countries and former colonies would have even bothered with it.
There is truth to this. A form of retaliation towards their colonial masters.
It was more Lenin than Marx. The Soviet Union was a beacon of inspiration for many underdeveloped countries in the post war decades because communism had transformed it from a backwards agrarian country into a heavily industrialised country with a powerful military in a space of just a few decades with no outside help. The Soviet Communists in the mid 20th century were a far cry from the white middle class Marxists of Britain.
If the industrialised Soviet Union did not exist in the post war years, and Marxism was still a political theory largely confined to intellectuals in western nations obsessed with class struggle, then I doubt that any leaders of underdeveloped countries and former colonies would have even bothered with it.
There is truth to this. A form of retaliation towards their colonial masters.
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The far left is mostly just white nut jobs who like to speak on behalf of 'minorities' who didn't ask to be spoken for.
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The far left is mostly just white nut jobs who like to speak on behalf of 'minorities' who didn't ask to be spoken for.
The far left is mostly just white nut jobs who like to speak on behalf of 'minorities' who didn't ask to be spoken for.
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So then why did most of the communist revolutions happen in the none white countries?
So then why did most of the communist revolutions happen in the none white countries?
But to answer your question, the west is not gullible and desperate enough to fall for that nonsense on a large scale. Look at the western countries and then look at communist countries, who do you think is better off?
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The fact of the matter is Lenin's brand of Marxism is the brand that won and took over half the planet.
The fact of the matter is Lenin's brand of Marxism is the brand that won and took over half the planet.
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