My parents are really concerned with uni reputations and aren't listening to me Watch

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My parents most important concern is that I apply for the big universities (Oxford,, Warwick, etc.) and they think I'm giving up too easily when I tell them I haven't achieved the grades. They also think I'm being stupid by picking courses based on how much they interest me rather than the uni's reputation and ranking.

How do I convince them to let me apply to the courses I will actually enjoy the most??
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(Original post by dumbhermione)
My parents most important concern is that I apply for the big universities (Oxford,, Warwick, etc.) and they think I'm giving up too easily when I tell them I haven't achieved the grades. They also think I'm being stupid by picking courses based on how much they interest me rather than the uni's reputation and ranking.

How do I convince them to let me apply to the courses I will actually enjoy the most??
Is the problem that they won't let u apply for the course you want or the university you want? And what course is this
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Someone needs to explain to them that the uni rankings really don't matter and that it's important for you to do what you enjoy or you will hate it.
They also need to understand that if you apply to uni's outwith your capability you're just wasting spaces on your UCAS application(as if you don't meet minimum entry requirements the uni won't look at your application).
Could a teacher potentially help them to understand or some other adult? Maybe find a newspaper article explaining it?
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I know someone who went to a low ranked university and is doing really well for themselves, and I know someone who went to a RG university and still struggles to find a decent pay job. It’s all down to the individual! Employers don’t just look at how good you are on books. But this just really depends on what course it is.
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(Original post by dumbhermione)
My parents most important concern is that I apply for the big universities (Oxford,, Warwick, etc.) and they think I'm giving up too easily when I tell them I haven't achieved the grades. They also think I'm being stupid by picking courses based on how much they interest me rather than the uni's reputation and ranking.

How do I convince them to let me apply to the courses I will actually enjoy the most??
It really depend what you mean in terms of not achieving the grades - are you physically predicted ABB or are you just AAA but you worry that you wont be able to achieve that?

It is important to enjoy a uni course, however the practically of the course is important. IF you wont be able to get hired for a reaonsable salary after you graduate, then you have wasted your time and money. You need to do more research into the post-grad options for working. What course was it anyway?
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Unless you have top grades you won't get an offer anyway particually for Oxbridge yo got anything below a 6 (B) on your results I'd say Cambridge is out of reach but they may still consider you (if you have a high A*A*A) Oxford won't even consider you if you don't have top grades GCSE so tell them that use your predicted grades and university web sites (printed out on paper to prove you won't get offers) each course page your interested in of your parents want you to apply for should have a tab that details entry requirements if your predicted grades don't meet those requirements you shouldn't apply there simples.
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Is the problem that they won't let u apply for the course you want or the university you want? And what course is this
I want to do Econ and IR/Politics and they're fine with my subject choice, but we're disagreeing about the unis I should apply to.
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Someone needs to explain to them that the uni rankings really don't matter and that it's important for you to do what you enjoy or you will hate it.
They also need to understand that if you apply to uni's outwith your capability you're just wasting spaces on your UCAS application(as if you don't meet minimum entry requirements the uni won't look at your application).
Could a teacher potentially help them to understand or some other adult? Maybe find a newspaper article explaining it?
Yeah I think I will involve my teachers as a last resort if they don't change their minds.
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I want to do Econ and IR/Politics and they're fine with my subject choice, but we're disagreeing about the unis I should apply to.
It's your degree - where are YOU looking at applying?
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(Original post by dumbhermione)
My parents most important concern is that I apply for the big universities (Oxford,, Warwick, etc.) and they think I'm giving up too easily when I tell them I haven't achieved the grades. They also think I'm being stupid by picking courses based on how much they interest me rather than the uni's reputation and ranking.

How do I convince them to let me apply to the courses I will actually enjoy the most??
You have 5 spots on your UCAS form, so you can shut them up by applying to 1 or 2 of the elite unis. If you get in, then great. If you don't, then you can tell them “I told you so”.

Most parents want the best for their children. Even parents with the most stupid kids believe that they have a shot at Oxbridge, Manchester or Imperial.

My advice will be to apply with this approach. Choose 1 elite university (reach unis), 3 standard universities and 1 “easy” university.

The elite unis are those that you can try to get in but not guaranteed to receive an offer. Some times, you have luck on your side and get one. These are Oxbridge, Imperial, UCL etc.

The standard unis are those that you have the grades for and can realistically get into. You know that as long as you don't mess up your grades, you should receive an offer.

The easy unis are those that you can get into, even in your sleep. Your grades are above the standard entry reqs and you would be sure to receive an offer.

Please know that the elite, standard and easy unis are different for people. An A*A*A* kid would have a different set of elite, standard and easy uni mix than a CCD kid. So be careful.

Good luck.
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It really depend what you mean in terms of not achieving the grades - are you physically predicted ABB or are you just AAA but you worry that you wont be able to achieve that?

It is important to enjoy a uni course, however the practically of the course is important. IF you wont be able to get hired for a reaonsable salary after you graduate, then you have wasted your time and money. You need to do more research into the post-grad options for working. What course was it anyway?
It's for Econ and IR/Politics. Obviously I'm looking for a balance between how much I will enjoy the course and its practicality but they're completely ignoring the first part and focusing on the second
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Parents are bad creatures, they have good intentions but they are often burdened by such a belief in self-failure that they have to push their kids through overinvolvement, ironically through doing so they are babying you and not letting you develop the skills needed for that success.

There is nothing wrong with not going to a top uni. It is your life, your degree, your loan, tell them to **** off (you'll probably get grounded for this).

Tell them if they wnt to go to Oxford they should apply themselves.
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Even parents with the most stupid kids believe that they have a shot at Oxbridge, Manchester or Imperial.
Lol not sure why you put Manchester up with Oxbridge and Imperial
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Lol not sure why you put Manchester up with Oxbridge and Imperial
Was that all you got from the post ????
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I want to do Econ and IR/Politics and they're fine with my subject choice, but we're disagreeing about the unis I should apply to.
Ok, and what are you predicted grades? And *your* preferred university choices?
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You have 5 spots on your UCAS form, so you can shut them up by applying to 1 or 2 of the elite unis. If you get in, then great. If you don't, then you can tell them “I told you so”.

Most parents want the best for their children. Even parents with the most stupid kids believe that they have a shot at Oxbridge, Manchester or Imperial.

My advice will be to apply with this approach. Choose 1 elite university (reach unis), 3 standard universities and 1 “easy” university.

The elite unis are those that you can try to get in but not guaranteed to receive an offer. Some times, you have luck on your side and get one. These are Oxbridge, Imperial, UCL etc.

The standard unis are those that you have the grades for and can realistically get into. You know that as long as you don't mess up your grades, you should receive an offer.

The easy unis are those that you can get into, even in your sleep. Your grades are above the standard entry reqs and you would be sure to receive an offer.

Please know that the elite, standard and easy unis are different for people. An A*A*A* kid would have a different set of elite, standard and easy uni mix than a CCD kid. So be careful.

Good luck.
That's really good advice! Thanks
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Parents are bad creatures, they have good intentions but they are often burdened by such a belief in self-failure that they have to push their kids through overinvolvement, ironically through doing so they are babying you and not letting you develop the skills needed for that success.

There is nothing wrong with not going to a top uni. It is your life, your degree, your loan, tell them to **** off (you'll probably get grounded for this).

Tell them if they wnt to go to Oxford they should apply themselves.
I appreciate that your trying to help but I'd rather stay on the safe side and not make it worse. Thanks though
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Ok, and what are you predicted grades? And *your* preferred university choices?
AAB (B in maths but I'm trying to get an A prediction, the other subjects are english and econ), and so far the ones that I've looked at and most likely will apply to are SOAS and maybe LSE (but that depends on how likely they are to accept an aspirational application). Their main objection is to SOAS bc 'they've never even heard of it' and so it's obviously not a very good uni, and they didn't listen when I told them that their course is really interesting to me.
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AAB (B in maths but I'm trying to get an A prediction, the other subjects are english and econ), and so far the ones that I've looked at and most likely will apply to are SOAS and maybe LSE (but that depends on how likely they are to accept an aspirational application). Their main objection is to SOAS bc 'they've never even heard of it' and so it's obviously not a very good uni, and they didn't listen when I told them that their course is really interesting to me.
Tell them SOAS is, just like LSE, part of the University of London and a well respected specialist university.

It has many famous alumni
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...Studies_people

And an AAB prediction wouldn't be sufficient for a successful Cambridge or Oxford application...


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AAB (B in maths but I'm trying to get an A prediction, the other subjects are english and econ), and so far the ones that I've looked at and most likely will apply to are SOAS and maybe LSE (but that depends on how likely they are to accept an aspirational application). Their main objection is to SOAS bc 'they've never even heard of it' and so it's obviously not a very good uni, and they didn't listen when I told them that their course is really interesting to me.
Ask them to come along to an open day with you. And remind them that employers have a very different list of what counts as a good reputation for universities compared to them.
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