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I'm right wing to a certain extent, what are you?
*Disclaimer* just because you are 'right wing' or 'left wing' It doesn't determine what your opinions are. (However it does imply certain views.)
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One wouldn’t want to pigeon hole one self by going with either to be honest. It’s overly limiting.
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One wouldn’t want to pigeon hole one self by going with either to be honest. It’s overly limiting.
The dichotomy just encourages partisan politics and is used as a tool to decredit opposing viewpoints without actually saying anything constructive
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Right or left doesn't matter. The scourge affecting politics is "lobbying", which is basically a legal means of buying influence on the polls. That is what decides who the people can vote for. No wonder people aren't interested in voting anymore
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Are you one of Us or one of Them?
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I think those terms are getting a bit out-dated.
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I’m left footed so I prefer to play on the left wing.
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I used to self-identify as right-wing but seeing what the right-wing has become (alt-right, Trump, Orban, etc), I call myself a centrist. Which was always more accurate tbh than right-wing (right-wing used to be less lame than it is now).
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I believe in personal responsibility, self-improvement, minimal government and wealth creation through hard work. That is everything the left despite so I am right wing by definition.
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I used to self-identify as right-wing but seeing what the right-wing has become (alt-right, Trump, Orban, etc), I call myself a centrist. Which was always more accurate tbh than right-wing (right-wing used to be less lame than it is now).
Then again you look at the left wing and holy sh*t, also trump hasn't really done anything that bad at all (at least not yet, tweeting needs to stop though xD)

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I think those terms are getting a bit out-dated.
I do agree, The politiscales test is good in order to see what kind of person you are.

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Are you one of Us or one of Them?
One of you.
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Then again you look at the left wing and holy sh*t, also trump hasn't really done anything that bad at all (at least not yet, tweeting needs to stop though xD)


I do agree, The politiscales test is good in order to see what kind of person you are.


One of you.
I care about one's ideology, the set of ideas that inform their policies. What are Trump's and the so-called alt-right's ideas? Migrants are to blame for literally everything, trade is about a country winning and losing (as opposed to firms and individuals within each country), Putin is not a disgusting tyrant, pseudomacho-ism about gender rights, etc, etc.

An absolute disgrace. For me, the right has always been first and foremost anti-state. A deep skepticism about Big Leaders and big govenrment plans (including walls to keep out foreign labour). A preference for voluntary, civil society (the Church, the family, etc) as opposed to state and politicians. This worship of Leaders (Putin, Trump, every populist asshat) is not old Right stuff. And secondarily, an appreciation of market mechanisms and free trade for increasing prosperity (as opposed to trade wars and turboprotectionist rhetoric).

This has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump and the new right that has emerged.
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I care about one's ideology, the set of ideas that inform their policies. What are Trump's and the so-called alt-right's ideas? Migrants are to blame for literally everything, trade is about a country winning and losing (as opposed to firms and individuals within each country), Putin is not a disgusting tyrant, pseudomacho-ism about gender rights, etc, etc.

An absolute disgrace. For me, the right has always been first and foremost anti-state. A deep skepticism about Big Leaders and big govenrment plans (including walls to keep out foreign labour). A preference for voluntary, civil society (the Church, the family, etc) as opposed to state and politicians. This worship of Leaders (Putin, Trump, every populist asshat) is not old Right stuff. And secondarily, an appreciation of market mechanisms and free trade for increasing prosperity (as opposed to trade wars and turboprotectionist rhetoric).

This has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump and the new right that has emerged.
Nice strawman

in any case no you’re wrong about everything. The modern new right (eg Michael Gove, George Bush) is not the old right, which came first. In the US the birth place of the new right we had groups lead by James Buckley supplant the traditional right wing groups such as as the John Birch society, which became ‘paleoconservatives’ ’ which is the movement essentially behind Trump. These people including Pat Buchanan, Russel Kirk etc and are part of a rich tradition supplanted by essentially neocons.

The new right that replaced them got rid of their popular ideas about limited immigration, restraints on business, non intervention and respect for the traditional order and replaced it with unhinged capitalism, unchecked migration, endless foreign wars and giving way to the left on every social issue.


Tim Stanley did a radio piece on it here, which was prettty good actually:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5PA_mKWxQHE
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Nice strawman

in any case no you’re wrong about everything. The modern new right (eg Michael Gove, George Bush) is not the old right, which came first. In the US the birth place of the new right we had groups lead by James Buckley supplant the traditional right wing groups such as as the John Birch society, which became ‘paleoconservatives’ ’ which is the movement essentially behind Trump. These people including Pat Buchanan, Russel Kirk etc and are part of a rich tradition supplanted by essentially neocons.

The new right that replaced them got rid of their popular ideas about limited immigration, restraints on business, non intervention and respect for the traditional order and replaced it with unhinged capitalism, unchecked migration, endless foreign wars and giving way to the left on every social issue.


Tim Stanley did a radio piece on it here, which was prettty good actually:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5PA_mKWxQHE
If you go back enough (French revolution era) then the right is pro-absolute monarchy, Church regulating every aspect of civilian life, corporatism in business (you simply inherit your father's occupation and that's that and also you can't wear blue or something in public) and so on. I sense you aren't that though your views are so absurd as to be as close to it as possible.

The Old Right as it is called in America was non-interventionist indeed but it was also pro-free market. The Old Right were people who opposed the New Deal precisely because of its Trump-like protectionist and corporatist elements. Precisely because they were pro-free market and free trade. Kirk I grant is an aberration but if we take Kirk to be the Old Right then people like Albert J Nock and Rose Wilder Lane are his "enemies" (he was very suspicious of market forces and much closer to you and the lunatic monarchist right). The problem is they were both seminal figures in the old right.

Buckley and the neocons weren't in the least pro-immigration or whatever you think free-market right-wingers are in favour of.
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Right wing. I believe in people. I don't believe in centralised mothering
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Right wing. I believe in people. I don't believe in centralised mothering
You're more like "MORE for me, the rest can **** off somewhere in the deep space" than right-wing. Not really an ideology is it.
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If you go back enough (French revolution era) then the right is pro-absolute monarchy, Church regulating every aspect of civilian life, corporatism in business (you simply inherit your father's occupation and that's that and also you can't wear blue or something in public) and so on. I sense you aren't that though your views are so absurd as to be as close to it as possible.

The Old Right as it is called in America was non-interventionist indeed but it was also pro-free market. The Old Right were people who opposed the New Deal precisely because of its Trump-like protectionist and corporatist elements. Precisely because they were pro-free market and free trade. Kirk I grant is an aberration but if we take Kirk to be the Old Right then people like Albert J Nock and Rose Wilder Lane are his "enemies" (he was very suspicious of market forces and much closer to you and the lunatic monarchist right). The problem is they were both seminal figures in the old right.

Buckley and the neocons weren't in the least pro-immigration or whatever you think free-market right-wingers are in favour of.
What views of mine are absurd? Though I’m not a monarchist, I wouldn’t say they’re absurd ideas, in fact for the time they were in they highly popular and well thought of.

I would say they disliked communism more than they favoured capitalism. With most corporates being run by people like zuckerberg and soros et al who support highly radical social change and will lobby aggressively for it, the ‘free market’ has been a convenient way for ‘the state’ to outsource tyranny (minus the accountability of government) to the market. Why does the government need to censor or oppress people if it can get third parties to fire them and take away their platforms.

The neocons today are absolutely pro immigration, some older ones might not be- but they’re the ones who have lead to where we are today and gave more power to capitalists who are absolutely pro open borders.

It used to be that the left were smelly hippies at Woodstock. Now they’re running google and Starbucks and the media- which is why the media overwhelmingly backed Hilary despite trump winning. The free market can’t explain why the popular trump was so loathed by the media who all backed trump. Now tell me with a straight face it’s because the media are principled 😂
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Dead terms that no longer apply in reality
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I'm right wing to a certain extent, what are you?
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Left wing. Aka I have a sense of humanity.
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Right wing. I believe in people. I don't believe in centralised mothering
Oh how good the right are at propaganda and repeating it so mindlessly.

Luckily the left are here to see through your bullsh*t.

Question: do you use the NHS?

Answer is most likely yes.

Your point has been refuted.

Good day.
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Oh how good the right are at propaganda and repeating it so mindlessly.

Luckily the left are here to see through your bullsh*t.

Question: do you use the NHS?

Answer is most likely yes.

Your point has been refuted.

Good day.
I’m economically left wing, but you’re wrong too.

ie do you use products made from sweatshops like everyone else?

Thst skdo refutes your point.

to do some degree capitalism and socialism are unavoidable
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