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When it comes to this question, I am VERY right wing. I believe in small government and low taxes. People who make money should get to keep that money and not give it to others by force. The government should STAY OUT OF PEOPLE'S LIVES. I'm willing to discuss any political points with anyone that cares enough to ask me.
What's your position on adult social issues like pornography, up-skirting and universal benefits?
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Right leaning centrist.

Because:

1. I disagree with abortion
2. Really don't like communism as an idea/ideology
3. Am egalitarian
4. Sorta nationalistic, not overly so
5. Don't support mass immigration
6. Don't really like mass media
7. Don't support raising minimum wage
8. I think capitalism is the best system there is, even though it has its downsides
9. I like the idea of private property
10. I think those with the money to pay should get higher quality healthcare
11. Don't agree with incredibly high taxes for the rich (I'm not rich, or even middle class fyi)
12. More agree than disagree with "eye for an eye" - So I support the death penalty in some cases
13. Think discipline is necessary with children (Not physical)
14. Agree with democracy, peace etc.
15. Think whatever you do in the privacy of your own bed with a consenting partner is no business of the state
16. I agree with a hierarchy in society
17. I'm not religious at all
18. I think homosexuality is nurture, not nature.

ETC. ETC.
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(Original post by londonmyst)
What's your position on adult social issues like pornography, up-skirting and universal benefits?
Well porn never really hurt anyone so I don't see why we shouldn't have it. I had to look up what up-skirting is, and I'm not OK with it, seems far too perverse of an act. Universal benefits are quite bad because they deter people away from working and turn them to lazying around waiting for the government to feed them off with other people's money, which is DEEPLY flawed. I think the government shouldn't give any benefits and let people bring themselves out of poverty.
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(Original post by Germanyisthebest)
Well porn never really hurt anyone so I don't see why we shouldn't have it. I had to look up what up-skirting is, and I'm not OK with it, seems far too perverse of an act. Universal benefits are quite bad because they deter people away from working and turn them to lazying around waiting for the government to feed them off with other people's money, which is DEEPLY flawed. I think the government shouldn't give any benefits and let people bring themselves out of poverty.
Certain types of "extreme porn" are now illegal to possess and produce in the UK after a psycho obsessed with violent porn murdered a music teacher named Jane Longhurst in 2003.
The victim's mother led a long campaign to outlaw the most violent porn that features the strangulation or rape of unconscious women.
Universal benefits have been a key aspect of Britain's welfare state since WW2, arguably the benefits bill has significantly increased over the decades with population growth and migration.
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(Original post by londonmyst)
Certain types of "extreme porn" are now illegal to possess and produce in the UK after a psycho obsessed with violent porn murdered a music teacher named Jane Longhurst in 2003.
The victim's mother led a long campaign to outlaw the most violent porn that features the strangulation or rape of unconscious women.
Universal benefits have been a key aspect of Britain's welfare state since WW2, arguably the benefits bill has significantly increased over the decades with population growth and migration.
Thanks for the fact. There have to be some big restrictions, just to make sure nobody gets hurt. When I said porn never hurt anyone, I just meant regular porn, didn't think of those weird fetishes that some people have.
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(Original post by Germanyisthebest)
Thanks for the fact. There have to be some big restrictions, just to make sure nobody gets hurt. When I said porn never hurt anyone, I just meant regular porn, didn't think of those weird fetishes that some people have.
I'm female and no fan of porn but at the very worst the violent porn only gave a psycho copycat ideas which he combined with a murder plan.
It was expensive revolting violent stuff, likely to appeal only to revolting violent persons that find watching it thrilling.
Banning broadcast and import into the UK is one thing but outlawing possession amongst consenting adults to this degree, sounds to me like a massive over reaction.
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RIGHT bb
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share your opinions i'm curious. (btw i am right wing so you can ask me anything ).
Been a neo-liberal centrist for the past few years, but I am becoming more right wing recently.
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As in, I don't give a sh*t what you as an individual want to do with your life. If you want to become a postitute, fine by me. If you want to snort coke, fine by me. If you want to watch porn, fine by me. If you want to be gay, trans whatever, fine by me. As long as you're not hurting anyone, I don't care what you want to do with your life, as long as taxpayers don't have to foot the bill for your actions.
that sounds more right wing to me. Being on the right means more individualist. Left wingers think we have to all treat everyone the same especially the poor and disabled even if that means giving them what we have so that they have the same.
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that sounds more right wing to me. Being on the right means more individualist. Left wingers think we have to all treat everyone the same especially the poor and disabled even if that means giving them what we have so that they have the same.
Yeh I know. I said that in a previous comment I am economically right wing, but socially very left wing.
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Yeh I know. I said that in a previous comment I am economically right wing, but socially very left wing.
Yeah I don't see how that makes you socially left wing which is my point. Socially right wing if anything.
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I take these broken wings.
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Centre-left is how I tend to label myself. Historically it's only ever been my economic views that have changed. Socially I'm very liberal. Economically I'm a lot more centrist.
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Centre-left is how I tend to label myself. Historically it's only ever been my economic views that have changed. Socially I'm very liberal. Economically I'm a lot more centrist.
how did your economic views change
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Firmly left wing. I've voted Labour all my life and campaigned for them in every election since I was 14.
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Yeah I don't see how that makes you socially left wing which is my point. Socially right wing if anything.
Because individualism is a key token of classical liberalism. Although modern liberals have deviated from these lines in recent decades, some of the ideas that I listed are more appropriate in a liberal camp, rather than a right wing, conservative camp. For example, full drug legalisation would never be something conservatives would support. I do see your point, though, but I'm certainly not right wing socially.

To be honest, to make things easier I should have just started by calling myself a Libertarian
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Because individualism is a key token of classical liberalism. Although modern liberals have deviated from these lines in recent decades, some of the ideas that I listed are more appropriate in a liberal camp, rather than a right wing, conservative camp. For example, full drug legalisation would never be something conservatives would support. I do see your point, though, but I'm certainly not right wing socially.

To be honest, to make things easier I should have just started by calling myself a Libertarian
I see. I'm not a fan of the conservative liberal distinction but anyway all my point is that socially left wing =/= liberal. To me right wing socially means people can own their own property and do what they like with it. And fewer restrictions on setting up business, owning weapons (even if only on private property) or personal drugs etc.

Honestly we are very left wing socially in Britain atm. But slightly more right wing economically which is why I think someone who says they are left wing it is hard to know what they are talking about.
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(Original post by HighOnGoofballs)
Because individualism is a key token of classical liberalism. Although modern liberals have deviated from these lines in recent decades, some of the ideas that I listed are more appropriate in a liberal camp, rather than a right wing, conservative camp. For example, full drug legalisation would never be something conservatives would support. I do see your point, though, but I'm certainly not right wing socially.

To be honest, to make things easier I should have just started by calling myself a Libertarian
Although... two seminal figures of modern conservatism, Thomas Sowell and William Buckley are in favour of drug legalisation. Both are not old fashioned conservatives, they're libertarian-ish on some issues but that (sort of libertarian conservatives) is a big tent within American conservatism.
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how did your economic views change
When I first got into politics I was essentially a Corbynite before Corbyn was a thing. Took a shift right, had a phase of loving Thatcher and her ideals, before ultimately settling in the centre somewhere and reigning things in on the whole free market stuff.

Social views have always been exceptionally liberal.
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1. Anyone who generally describes themselves as left wing or right wing is probably a muppet. Do you have no ability to independently think and analyze issues for yourself and must resort to the standard left/right opinion on every topic?
2. Being either right or left fuels polarization and increases dogma and groupthink.
Totally agree.

(Original post by frawding)
13. Think discipline is necessary with children (Not physical)
Funny. You don't know that words are more hurting than actions?
You say you are an egalitarian and then you write a homophobic comment. Ph.. >.< What a hypocrisy.

And when it comes to me I would say I just never wandering about what is left/right. I always thought that people should be good for themselves, but as I see in my own country (which is social conservative) I must to say that it's a s**ithole. I don't get it why people are full of sadness, tears and still complaining about their fate instead of change way of thinking, change the governement, mentality.

I am very much social "progressive" (if I should call it this way, dunno), but not in every aspect and I wouldn't call it clearly "being left-wing".

1. I believe in egalitarianism on society scale but with respect of individual's rights (if someone for example don't want go to the military then (s)he wouldn't be forced).
2. Respecting of authorities (teachers, bosses, politics, police, coaches, fathers by sons, mothers by daughters, not celebrities like today), so there is a little hierarchy too and I think it's good.
3. Freedom of choice for every individual, but society as a whole should follow the strict rules which are simple and clear for everyone (that means also little biurocracy) and face the very strict consequences when there is a breaking of the law, even from governement.
4. I believe in a multiparty system which is controlled by main one-party (just like in China when there are smaller parties in the parliament).
5. People should love their party with whole heart and government should be consist in making people's life perfect.
6. Free economy, "third way" which mixes capitalism and socialism controlled by state.
7. Free education, healthcare etc. but if someone breaks a law then it should be limits on individual.
8. Control of the Internet from hate speech.
9. Criminalization of right-wing policy, nationalism and anti-lgbt activities.
10. Powerful police and military.
11. An increase of role of the art, spirituality and psychology in society's life as replacement of artificial values of sport and aggresive behaviour.
12. Total pacifism, peace.
13. Country with more introvert-thinking people.
14. No religion or just not present in daily-life, but very spirituality society.
15. Technology everywhere as an element of control of society by government, mainly life on-line, smartphones and Internet for free for everyone from government.
16. Implant placement for every new-born baby.
17. Let everyone be just myself, no matter how you are looking. Nobody should care about fashion. Total anarchy here.
18. Globalism, world with one government, no nations and borders, but multilingual.
19. Free abortion.
20. Higher taxes for riches.




So as you can see there are so many "left" values, but I really prefer to mix them all. I don't know how to call it. Authoritarian left-centre? Socialist?
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