Odds on a second EU referendum are now 7/5!! Watch

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A few months ago I laughed in the face of people who thought there would be a second referendum - it seemed inconceivable to me. That's all changed now. The odds seem to think it's a really close call:

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics...-eu-referendum

We're living in crazy times.

EDIT 22/10/19 : odds for a 2nd referendum before the end of 2020 are 7/5.
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Brexit is the nutter on the bus de nos jours.
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A few months ago I laughed in the face of people who thought there would be a second referendum - it seemed inconceivable to me. That's all changed now. The odds seem to think it's a really close call:

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics...-eu-referendum

We're living in crazy times.
There won’t be a second referendum where remaining is on the ballet.
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There won’t be a second referendum where remaining is on the ballet.
Anything seems possible now. Although if you have "remain" on the ballot and multiple "leave" options then "remain" is obviously going to win because the leave vote will be split. So I'm not sure that can happen.
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There won’t be a second referendum where remaining is on the ballet.
If there is, it's a crime against democracy. Unfortunately I can almost see it happening (almost)
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If there is, it's a crime against democracy. Unfortunately I can almost see it happening (almost)
Even if its voted for in a general election?

Are the British public ever allowed to change their minds?
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Are the British public ever allowed to change their minds?
But what if they change their minds again a week after the second referendum? Should there be a third referendum?
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Even if its voted for in a general election?

Are the British public ever allowed to change their minds?
Of course they are. A second referendum in my eyes could either split the leave vote (if there's multiple options), or remain could essentially be forced upon us with the EU only offering a bad deal pre-brexit

I think it's better to just get on with it, even if it means assuming no deal. If the majority of the electorate really did want a second referendum and really did want to remain then that's fairs, I just see it as a bit of a loophole tbh
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There won’t be a second referendum where remaining is on the ballet.
The dogma among Brexiters use to be there won't be a second referendum.

It is almost like the abject failure to come over with a Brexit plan after two years means the political mood is changing.....
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There won’t be a second referendum where remaining is on the ballet.
Is this a pas-de vingt-sept at the English National Ballet?
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(Original post by AstroNandos)
If there is, it's a crime against democracy. Unfortunately I can almost see it happening (almost)
A crime against democracy for voting..? Only a bit of an oxymoron.
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But what if they change their minds again a week after the second referendum? Should there be a third referendum?
Your example is false, but yes they can change their minds as many times as they want. Referendums are advisory and not binding.
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But what if they change their minds again a week after the second referendum? Should there be a third referendum?
Yes.
We get this a lot up here in Scotland. "Oh but you already voted on independence", yup that's true but for so long as we keep returning pro-independence parties to government, those governments are perfectly right (in fact, obligated to in my view) conduct another independence referendum.

If policy is truly supposed to reflect public opinion, then when public opinion changes, so should policy.
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A crime against democracy for voting..? Only a bit of an oxymoron.
See my previous post
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Is this a pas-de vingt-sept at the English National Ballet?


I'm embarrassed that I didn't notice that.
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Even if its voted for in a general election?

Are the British public ever allowed to change their minds?
Yea once the last vote has been carried out
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The dogma among Brexiters use to be there won't be a second referendum.

It is almost like the abject failure to come over with a Brexit plan after two years means the political mood is changing.....
I honestly can't believe that 2 years after the vote, we've only just come up with an idea of what we'd like to achieve out of the negotiations. I'm a Remainer but no matter which side you're on, it should be so clear to anyone that the Conservative party bungled this in a big way.
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Your example is false, but yes they can change their minds as many times as they want. Referendums are advisory and not binding.
Seeing as you can't be leaving and joining the EU whenever you like, a second referundum would essentially be binding (though not legally) as the government would use that outcome as how they would proceed with brexit.

How is his example false? What is to say there can't be a third referendum if the second is remain? If public opinion was obviously leave, would you be against a third referendum if the public wanted one before brexit day?
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Of course they are. A second referendum in my eyes could either split the leave vote (if there's multiple options), or remain could essentially be forced upon us with the EU only offering a bad deal pre-brexit

I think it's better to just get on with it, even if it means assuming no deal. If the majority of the electorate really did want a second referendum and really did want to remain then that's fairs, I just see it as a bit of a loophole tbh
I think you would do it by elimination so you always got rid of the least popular choice.

British public by election can vote for whatever government they want.

The problems with Brexit are multiple.

Tiny majority.

Terms of deal unknown

Situation now is different from what people were led to believe they might get.


All that said I dont think there will be another one. rather just get on with it.
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I honestly can't believe that 2 years after the vote, we've only just come up with an idea of what we'd like to achieve out of the negotiations. I'm a Remainer but no matter which side you're on, it should be so clear to anyone that the Conservative party bungled this in a big way.
I can. Faffing about with an unnecessary election, then faffing about appeasing various parts of the overly-broad conservative party. Fiddling whilst Rome burns. And all the time appearing to the EU like a group of incompetent tîts (I'm not sure what the group noun for that is)
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