13 year old boy admits to raping a 5 year old Watch

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This is an old video about the trial but I found it quite interesting topic to bring up (obviously thought it was pretty sick).

The boy had some mental issue though.

I think the most interesting part is the comment section. Some say he should be tried as an adult and others say he is too young and his mental health should be considered. So we're talking prison for life vs up to 1-8 years.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KodEPw3XVdU
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i do not really want to watch that
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i do not really want to watch that
Yeah. It's pretty deep tbh - you hear the boy confess and the mother crying.
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(I didn't watch the video but here are my thoughts)

I think that if he has a genuine mental condition, he can't and shouldn't be tried as an adult (or at all, if he wasn't in a sane state of mind - though that can be hard to prove). Those who suggest that he should be tried as an adult most likely have really strong feelings about the issue that may even be personal. The family of the raped child should definitely be compensated and the boy who commited the rape should be treated for whatever his condition is and should get help to find out the root cause of the problem that resulted in his actions. Then, if punishment is the natural next step, he needs to be punished in a way that will make him understand that what he did was very very wrong.
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He still deserves to face some consequences at least. All very well stating that he had mental health issues but what about the emotional trauma the five year old has now? Her entire family?

We’re far too soft on rapists. The mental health angle, one could say, discredits others who are also genuinely suffering from disorders and yet do not turn to sexual assault.
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(Original post by VETwannabe)
(I didn't watch the video but here are my thoughts)

I think that if he has a genuine mental condition, he can't and shouldn't be tried as an adult (or at all, if he wasn't in a sane state of mind - though that can be hard to prove). Those who suggest that he should be tried as an adult most likely have really strong feelings about the issue that may even be personal. The family of the raped child should definitely be compensated and the boy who commited the rape should be treated for whatever his condition is and should get help to find out the root cause of the problem that resulted in his actions. Then, if punishment is the natural next step, he needs to be punished in a way that will make him understand that what he did was very very wrong.
Wouldn't it be more troubling if his sociopathic tendancies were caused by a genuine mental condition? You seem to be saying we shouldn't be so harsh on people who are mentally predisposed to commit crime if they just can't help it - but these are the very people who are the least able to be rehabilitated, and therefore who should be separated from society.
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Wouldn't it be more troubling if his sociopathic tendancies were caused by a genuine mental condition? You seem to be saying we shouldn't be so harsh on people who are mentally predisposed to commit crime if they just can't help it - but these are the very people who are the least able to be rehabilitated, and therefore who should be separated from society.
Hmm.. I was thinking more along the lines of, we shouldn't outright punish him with a jail sentence without trying to get to the root cause of the problem and seeing if we can fix it first/as well. I don't see a point in punishing him with a life sentence if his actions weren't the result of him being an actual psychopath. In my opinion, there must have been something that influenced this boy to become the way he is. Some of it may be genetics, but a lot of it will be something in his environment, or that's what I think at least.

Also, as much as I'd love him to be separated from society so he doesn't do something like this again, it seems a bit cruel to ruin an entire life without digging deeper. Saying that, there's a very real possibility that the victim's life will be affected by this event as well, so obviously the victim is the main priority here. But I like to try and think of things from both perspectives and find a solution that is just and fair. I'm no lawyer, but I hate the idea of being biased (even though I know I can't avoid being subconsciously biased).
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He still deserves to face some consequences at least. All very well stating that he had mental health issues but what about the emotional trauma the five year old has now? Her entire family?

We’re far too soft on rapists. The mental health angle, one could say, discredits others who are also genuinely suffering from disorders and yet do not turn to sexual assault.
Ok so if your 13 yo son rapes a 5 year old you will want him to face jail? I agree but sanction parents more because they should raise him correctly
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its american and from 6 years ago and didnt go viral...how did u find this?!
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anyway this isnt a mental issue. this is a domestic issue (he's got the idea from somewhere and his parents need to be investigated by child services), it's bad friends, and it's a porn addiction. Simple. So the boy isn't a victim. He needs to go to youth offenders, be registered for life as a sex offender, and that's that.
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Ok so if your 13 yo son rapes a 5 year old you will want him to face jail? I agree but sanction parents more because they should raise him correctly
Fair enough, parents definitely deserve a proportion of the blame. Couldn’t truthfully answer since I’m not in that position but sexual assault genuinely disgusts me so I’m biased against that. Imo all and any rapists deserve some kind of repercussion.

But feel free to disagree.
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If there is proof from a doctor for example that he has mental issues , I don’t think he should be tried as an adult. But I mean this is pretty scary, this guy is my age. Though we do still have to consider the 5 year old girl like imagine how confused she must be at that young age so I think he should have a punishment for the sake of the little girl. But if he does have mental issues, perhaps a lighter punishment, I mean if he is sick then his parents should be keeping a closer eye on him. Who agrees?
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Hmm.. I was thinking more along the lines of, we shouldn't outright punish him with a jail sentence without trying to get to the root cause of the problem and seeing if we can fix it first/as well. I don't see a point in punishing him with a life sentence if his actions weren't the result of him being an actual psychopath. In my opinion, there must have been something that influenced this boy to become the way he is. Some of it may be genetics, but a lot of it will be something in his environment, or that's what I think at least.

Also, as much as I'd love him to be separated from society so he doesn't do something like this again, it seems a bit cruel to ruin an entire life without digging deeper. Saying that, there's a very real possibility that the victim's life will be affected by this event as well, so obviously the victim is the main priority here. But I like to try and think of things from both perspectives and find a solution that is just and fair. I'm no lawyer, but I hate the idea of being biased (even though I know I can't avoid being subconsciously biased).
It’s difficult because you can apply this reasoning to every single criminal, but we must not let it act as a justification.

Yes, every criminal behaviour has a source, an explanation. Individual X was abused as a child, or individual Y presents an abnormal neuro-physiology.

That doesn’t matter, what matters when determining a verdict is capacity. If an individual’s mental health is severe enough that they were in an altered mental state, and physically not in control of their actions, then that should be considered. That is considered.

Beyond that, you have to draw the line. This individual was in control of his actions, in that he had intent, and was aware that he was conducting the behaviour.
Yes he was abused as a child, but so many other people are abused as children, and don’t rape five year olds.
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He still deserves to face some consequences at least. All very well stating that he had mental health issues but what about the emotional trauma the five year old has now? Her entire family?
Yes, but "what about them?" really is the question. Not a lot, really, is the answer. They've certainly suffered a hugely traumatic experience, but it won't benefit them - or wider society - to take steps against the 13 year old boy that are not in his best interests, just out of some peculiar sense of restoring equalibrium in the universe or something equally daft.

The decisions on how to procede in regard to the boy should be based on what is the right thing to do to, hopefully, make the boy capable of functioning in normal society in the future.
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Yes, but "what about them?" really is the question. Not a lot, really, is the answer. They've certainly suffered a hugely traumatic experience, but it won't benefit them - or wider society - to take steps against the 13 year old boy that are not in his best interests, just out of some peculiar sense of restoring equalibrium in the universe or something equally daft.

The decisions on how to procede in regard to the boy should be based on what is the right thing to do to, hopefully, make the boy capable of functioning in normal society in the future.
Employing the principle of “agree to disagree” would be appropriate here. We hold different values, simple as. I believe rapists deserve repercussion of some sort (hence why I didn’t suggest “complete isolation from society” but some form of punishment along with rehabilitation) but to me it seems disgustingly immoral that the 5 year old has to bear that sort of traumatic experience with no true ‘justice’ in sense.

Others may not be so empathetic. Clearly you think that’s a waste of time but hey, difference in opinions are always welcome.
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It’s difficult because you can apply this reasoning to every single criminal, but we must not let it act as a justification.

Yes, every criminal behaviour has a source, an explanation. Individual X was abused as a child, or individual Y presents an abnormal neuro-physiology.

That doesn’t matter, what matters when determining a verdict is capacity. If an individual’s mental health is severe enough that they were in an altered mental state, and physically not in control of their actions, then that should be considered. That is considered.

Beyond that, you have to draw the line. This individual was in control of his actions, in that he had intent, and was aware that he was conducting the behaviour.
Yes he was abused as a child, but so many other people are abused as children, and don’t rape five year olds.
As I said before, I didn't actually follow OP's link to the video so I don't know the context. But if what you're saying is true, that he had intent and was fully aware that what he was doing was wrong, then yes, he should be punished according to the laws of the country (is he from the UK?). If a similar case occured before and the verdict was life imprisonment after considering everything, then that's what is considered just and fair, and so that's what should happen. Judges are trained to be able to make these decisions, so as long as justice is served and the victim's family are appeased, I'm in agreement with the final decision.

Although, even if he does end up in prison, I think an attempt to rehabilitate him should still be made, especially as he's so young. I think the circumstances are a bit different between a child rapist and an adult rapist. But I guess that's what makes this case so difficult.
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Employing the principle of “agree to disagree” would be appropriate here. We hold different values, simple as. I believe rapists deserve repercussion of some sort (hence why I didn’t suggest “complete isolation from society” but some form of punishment along with rehabilitation) but to me it seems disgustingly immoral that the 5 year old has to bear that sort of traumatic experience with no true ‘justice’ in sense.

Others may not be so empathetic. Clearly you think that’s a waste of time but hey, difference in opinions are always welcome.
Definitely agreed
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(Original post by krissxkross)
Employing the principle of “agree to disagree” would be appropriate here. We hold different values, simple as. I believe rapists deserve repercussion of some sort (hence why I didn’t suggest “complete isolation from society” but some form of punishment along with rehabilitation) but to me it seems disgustingly immoral that the 5 year old has to bear that sort of traumatic experience with no true ‘justice’ in sense.

Others may not be so empathetic. Clearly you think that’s a waste of time but hey, difference in opinions are always welcome.
Your "empathy", in this situation, has a negative impact on wider society. I'd rather have a bit of positive responsibility for the future than damaging sympathy about the past.

The problem is that we can't agree to disagree on this one. Someone's ideals have to win out.
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Your "empathy", in this situation, has a negative impact on wider society. I'd rather have a bit of positive responsibility for the future than damaging sympathy about the past.

The problem is that we can't agree to disagree on this one. Someone's ideals have to win out.
So you’d rather he faces absolutely no repercussions at all, let alone deterrent and rehabilitation in the case of re-offending?

Right. That definitely impacts society in a “positive” way. Well done!
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Definitely agreed
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