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Small update 16/10/18*

Just sent 28 pages of notes (lecture + seminar prep + wider reading notes + my own evaluation) to a classmate by accident when I was supposed to send him the seminar handout.

Now he is thanking me and saying how nice I am but I just want to cry.

Karma - I have high expectations. :cry2:
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17/10/18
Busy day but I am home and sound and ready to sleep.

Woke up at 5:30am so I could do a little bit more seminar prep before my actual 2 seminars. I feel like the more prepared I am the more I will get out of them so if I'm not prepared, I'm essentially just cheating myself? Did about 3 hours of further reading for equity and public law and went to the library early to print out some notes. (Laptops are apparently banned from the sacred seminars).

Seminars went fine (will do a more detailed post about first seminar impressions for future references).

Quickly got some lunch and went to a committee meeting for EC 3. It was alright but just had to get some events planned out and I was told that I could recruit some people if I struggle to manage one of the upcoming events (A friend of mine is looking for ways to get more involved within the society so I think I might just do that). Came back and was so tired so allowed myself a 1-hour nap. It was horrible because I woke up feeling MORE TIRED. Had to get up though because I was a tad bit late to the S and M event so literally sprinted to that.

Went to the S and M event and it was also fine. (Will do a more detailed post about firm events first impressions for future references).

Tried to get out of a social outing tonight because I felt quite drained by the end of the day, but JUST MY LUCK...I ran into that group of friends on the way back from the firm event. Literally got DRAGGED into the city and the whole time I honestly felt like leaving the bar so I could sit outside in the cold with my puffer jacket and nap. Convinced them I felt sick and had to leave 'early', I do have a 9 am though so it's not a complete lie.

Currently feel tired, yet I'm on TSR. Lol.

I swear I've mentioned that I'm tired at least 4 times. Why am I ALWAYS SO DAMN TIRED AND DRAINED. Do I need some iodine? I think it might be withdrawal symptoms because I'm trying to quit caffeine.
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Small update 16/10/18*

Just sent 28 pages of notes (lecture + seminar prep + wider reading notes + my own evaluation) to a classmate by accident when I was supposed to send him the seminar handout.

Now he is thanking me and saying how nice I am but I just want to cry.

Karma - I have high expectations. :cry2:
Hahahaha. The mindset of a law student: it is not enough that I succeed, others have to fail. Just be happy you helped the little lad out.

You were clearly quite happy to help in the first place; now you've gone the extra mile and got him a first.

BTW, would advise that you don't let people to over-rely as they will begin to take the royal piss.
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Hahahaha. The mindset of a law student: it is not enough that I succeed, others have to fail. Just be happy you helped the little lad out.

You were clearly quite happy to help in the first place; now you've gone the extra mile and got him a first.

BTW, would advise that you don't let people to over-rely as they will begin to take the royal piss.
I've learned my lesson, from now on I will copy every other law student and lie.

Honestly, law students are such sneaky little sh*ts! They literally say they are not prepared and come in with a whole folder of notes. Claim they haven't done the reading when they have already finished and probably read the first edition too - in Latin. They will say they don't understand and finish with a first.

Idc what he says, he now owes me big time. If he ever gets a TC I'm taking 30% of his yearly income.
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I've learned my lesson, from now on I will copy every other law student and lie.

Honestly, law students are such sneaky little sh*ts! They literally say they are not prepared and come in with a whole folder of notes. Claim they haven't done the reading when they have already finished and probably read the first edition too - in Latin. They will say they don't understand and finish with a first.

Idc what he says, he now owes me big time. If he ever gets a TC I'm taking 30% of his yearly income.
I completely agree.

I had one mate who would lie about his grade, say he got a 60%, so you'd tell him what you got. Then he would tell you he got a 72%. Not to be trusted at all and this was a mate.
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I completely agree.

I had one mate who would lie about his grade, say he got a 60%, so you'd tell him what you got. Then he would tell you he got a 72%. Not to be trusted at all and this was a mate.
I don't get why they do that though? Own insecurity? Arrogance?

The few close friends I have from my course are quite alright. The problem with that is; hearing that they have completed everything when you are crying at 2am because you can't even find the case itself on westlaw, it's not the best feeling either.

I feel like for law there's no in between. You either get people that lie to you to give you this illusion of safety regarding your academic progression, people that are honest and make you feel sh*t, or people that are genuinely sh*t.

Protip for future law students: Befriend the philosophy department- they are so sweet and genuine!
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I don't get why they do that though? Own insecurity? Arrogance?

The few close friends I have from my course are quite alright. The problem with that is; hearing that they have completed everything when you are crying at 2am because you can't even find the case itself on westlaw, it's not the best feeling either.

I feel like for law there's no in between. You either get people that lie to you to give you this illusion of safety regarding your academic progression, people that are honest and make you feel sh*t, or people that are genuinely sh*t.

Protip for future law students: Befriend the philosophy department- they are so sweet and genuine!
First year is like that. It got better, in my experience. People become more honest the more they realise that they're in the same boat

Don't cry - it's not worth it :/

I think that you're overworking yourself.
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I don't get why they do that though? Own insecurity? Arrogance?

The few close friends I have from my course are quite alright. The problem with that is; hearing that they have completed everything when you are crying at 2am because you can't even find the case itself on westlaw, it's not the best feeling either.

I feel like for law there's no in between. You either get people that lie to you to give you this illusion of safety regarding your academic progression, people that are honest and make you feel sh*t, or people that are genuinely sh*t.

Protip for future law students: Befriend the philosophy department- they are so sweet and genuine!
Mix of both. Feeling they're better, wanting to be better; probably thinking that there's only one TC out there between them and everyone they know. I was personally never bothered in that way and people chill out a bit in later years.

Cass on Westlaw. Go by the citation, e.g. [XXXX] KB 202. Sometimes I just google the case name to get the citation, if the name ain't bringing owt up and I cannot search for it on Westlaw. If I search on Westlaw, I type in name and let it auto-complete, and click one of the suggestions. Also if the full case isn't on Westlaw, it will be on Lexis (e.g. WLR in the citation) or Lloyd's Law Reports (e.g. Lloyd's Rep in the citation). For the neutral cases, e.g. EWCA, just go off BAILII if you're having trouble.

I agree with John. Don't over-work and over-stress. It might work for now as you're getting your bearings and you can streamline, but doing too many late nights ain't good for you.
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First year is like that. It got better, in my experience. People become more honest the more they realise that they're in the same boat

Don't cry - it's not worth it :/

I think that you're overworking yourself.
That's reassuring to hear, idk how I'm going to put up with these people for 3 years if they keep this up.

I'm kinda relieved that you think so too because I thought I was just being weak. Now I have a valid excuse to treat myself on Saturday. I'm hoping it's just this week though, coincidently all my ECs had meetings, 4 law firms are visiting and this is the week where I have 3 seminars. Only got 1 meeting next week and 1 seminar so far and no law firms are coming, just wish this week would be over already!
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Mix of both. Feeling they're better, wanting to be better; probably thinking that there's only one TC out there between them and everyone they know. I was personally never bothered in that way and people chill out a bit in later years.

Cass on Westlaw. Go by the citation, e.g. [XXXX] KB 202. Sometimes I just google the case name to get the citation, if the name ain't bringing owt up and I cannot search for it on Westlaw. If I search on Westlaw, I type in name and let it auto-complete, and click one of the suggestions. Also if the full case isn't on Westlaw, it will be on Lexis (e.g. WLR in the citation) or Lloyd's Law Reports (e.g. Lloyd's Rep in the citation). For the neutral cases, e.g. EWCA, just go off BAILII if you're having trouble.

I agree with John. Don't over-work and over-stress. It might work for now as you're getting your bearings and you can streamline, but doing too many late nights ain't good for you.
You are a godsend. Thank you!

I missed the westlaw tutorial session due to a meeting and couldn't access lexis that night for some reason. At my previous university, we were basically spoon-fed. They would print off the main cases for us and send us the direct links to relevant ones! This is why I got so offended when the lecturer just gave us the name & citation. "What do you MEAN we have to look for cases on our own as law students??" :argh::afraid:

My goal next week is to fix my sleeping schedule. I've just been taking 'naps' in the study common which really negates the whole purpose of 'staying up late so I can study',
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You are a godsend. Thank you!

I missed the westlaw tutorial session due to a meeting and couldn't access lexis that night for some reason. At my previous university, we were basically spoon-fed. They would print off the main cases for us and send us the direct links to relevant ones! This is why I got so offended when the lecturer just gave us the name & citation. "What do you MEAN we have to look for cases on our own as law students??" :argh::afraid:

My goal next week is to fix my sleeping schedule. I've just been taking 'naps' in the study common which really negates the whole purpose of 'staying up late so I can study',
For my master's, I had the joyous task of researching 18th century common carrier cases. Where the names were misspelt, the year wrong, and the page number wrong. You have to come very adaptable if you wanna find cases! Even in normal cases, textbook writers commit typos and or the site's search function is crap -- everyone will go through the issue.

Will add that it's somewhat amusing when you see 3/4 books all getting the citation wrong. Almost as if they all copied from the first source. It's not only students who blag and act as if they've read cases!
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For my master's, I had the joyous task of researching 18th century common carrier cases. Where the names were misspelt, the year wrong, and the page number wrong. You have to come very adaptable if you wanna find cases! Even in normal cases, textbook writers commit typos and or the site's search function is crap -- everyone will go through the issue.

Will add that it's somewhat amusing when you see 3/4 books all getting the citation wrong. Almost as if they all copied from the first source. It's not only students who blag and act as if they've read cases!


They are really not making life easier for student...

It's quite surprising to hear that tho, academics/recruiters always stress the importance of having great 'attention to detail', yet the scholars still make these elementary mistakes.
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18/10/19

-Went to criminal law lectures. Murder/battery/omission is quite interesting, better than the fundamental principles we were learning last week.

-Went to EC 2 meeting, it was pretty good. Decided to collaborate with 2 other universities for a project so need to travel and meet them next week. Really didn't want to, but because I am the youngest committee member, ofc I was chosen to go.

-Just cbf doing anything, having a 'lazy' day. And really enjoying it.

Did little to no studying today lol. The good place on Netflix is good.

*Note to self: Take up Karate so you don't have to feel terrified about walking back alone on that secluded street at night.
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Marked post (so it's easier for me to find in the future).


Legal events: My first impression of all these law firm events/presentations/dinners as a FIRST YEAR LAW STUDENT. Might change my perspective in the future, might refer back to this post further down the line, might add to it as I attend more. :dontknow:

If any future law students are reading this, you might have a completely different experience, this is just my first impression - as an average first-year law student.


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First, can we just talk about how SWEET and APPROACHABLE the trainees, recruiters, associates, and PARTNERS are! I'm not sure if anyone else's had the opportunity to really be in the presences of these people before uni, but I didn't, so I certainly felt very intimated! Was pleasantly surprised by how down-to-earth everyone is though.

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-Slaughter and May's event: The event went on for a little later than expected so a lot of people left, which was good because we then had the optimum 'associate+partner/student ratio'. I really didn't have much to ask because 1) I'm still exploring the whole scary corporate legal world, 2) they don't offer any first yr VC so there's really nothing there that was very practical for me in the short term. I kinda just stood in one of the conversations, listened while enjoying my wine. A partner then came, asked what year I am, and then proceeded to just chat with me for about 25minutes. Told me the story about the day she found out she was officially a partner, her upcoming trip to the USA, her travels, introduced to me her specialism in very a simplified way, gave tips for first years etc... It was all just so sweet, informal and she made me feel so relaxed throughout the conversation. She was just so genuine, funny and really 'humanized' these city firm partners

-Talked to a trainee who went to the same university, it turned out that one of his lecturers is my academic advisor. Also bonded over our slight 'disdain' over a certain lecturer's teaching method. :flute:

I'm still going to proceed with caution though because I feel like it might be all be an illusory facade. But for now, I have nothing but positive impressions of these firms. I guess it's just so different to what I expected; all tense, serious, snobby people sizing each other up while engaging in highly intellectual conversations. :lolwut:

Note to self*: Try to actually get to know them as an individual instead of firing questions (most could be found on the website) one after another, get to know their specialism, background, interests etc... Informal > formal.

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-Most of the firms basically said the same thing. How innovative, global, diverse they are etc...

-Emphasized commercial awareness. I really should read the news more, download some apps, listen to some podcasts.


-VC scheme/interview tips. Not very applicable to me atm, just have a brief idea but will post more when I look at it in detail. Basically should ALWAYS be ready to talk in depth about what you put on your CV/CL. Provide responses tailored to the specific firm, do some 'deep' research on the firm etc... Interview:

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A&O apparently loves scenario based questions and they are basically a TRAP.

A partner had a question along the lines of: 'If you were suddenly given a task to do by a partner, but you've already made plans to take your mum out for her birthday, what would you do?' or 'You were suddenly given a task to do by a partner, but you already have work given to you by an associate. Both due today. What would you do?'

Apparently saying you would complete the task in your own free time is the wrong answer. I'm just like: 'Whut?' :confused:



-The kind of people they are looking for (the traits desired are the same for 99% of the firms). One firm said 'sense of humour' and I am so excited to hit them with my jokes/puns if I ever get an interview. :rofl3:

-Partners/associates/trainees would also tell the story of how they got the job. However, it was almost like: 'if I can do it, you can do it too!'. They really minimized their achievements and simplified the whole process. (Careful not to fall into this trap, they act like they are desperate for you but they really are...not.)

Should I keep on going?

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So far, I don't see a valid reason for why I should STOP going.

-If I have no lectures, no commitments and I'm relatively close to the location, there's no reason why I shouldn't go.

-I think it's just beneficial in terms of getting to know the corporate law firms in general, the area of work they do, and a chance to get used to being in the holy presence of these solicitors. Practice talking to them informally.

-I have to search up these firms next year anyway, so a lot of these presentations are just doing the work for me.


So yeah, that's my first impression of these law firm events. It would be interesting to see if my perception changes in the future.
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Marked Post #2: EC (Extra-circular)

Lecturers, recruiters, past students.....Almost everyone's told me the importance of getting involved in EC activities at University. They made it out to be this magical place where you meet all your friends, pursue passion and develop skills to impress the firms. I'm not saying they are wrong, but boy are ECs stressful! Hopefully, this can give everyone some idea of my current profile and for me to evaluate and gain some clarity as well.

My current ECs:


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-EC 1: The one I was least sure about joining.
-Time commitment required is about 3-5 hours on a normal week and 20-30 hours on an event week.
-Not law related.
-Involves lots and lots of presentations, managing events and public speaking.
-Not a part of the university. Include people from all 3 universities in this city.
-Elected through interviews and tried I really hard to get in. There were also limited space so by the time I actually quit, I would have taken someone else's spot already and cause inconvenience.
-I've met some amazing people from this group already and it really FORCES you to manage your time better.

EC 2:
-Society group that is a part of the university.
-Committee member - secretary.
-Passionate about this but not law related.

EC 3:
-Society group that is a part of the university.
-Committee member - sponsorship officer.
-Not law related.

EC 4:
-Law-related.
-Not committee member.
-Not time-consuming at all because I'm lazy and hardly attend the meetings...

EC 5:
-Law related.
-TBC.

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-The meetings/event planning etc...they are so time-consuming! Especially EC 1,2 and 3.

-My mental health. I would laugh, joke, act like I'm confident and enjoying myself, but only god (I'm not even religious) knows how nervous and anxious I get. Every lecture shout-out, every presentation during the meetings, every time I have to coordinate with another society...I feel so emotionally drained from all of them!


That's the problem I think, I'm really an introvert pretending to be an extrovert and now everyone would dismiss my nervousness and expect me to just 'step up and do it.' It sucks and I can't even talk to anyone about it! Even the friends I've made in university - they all think i'm this bubbly, outgoing person when in reality I'm on the verge of a mental breakdown on a daily basis and just want some solitude. My face would literally DROP every time I step into my flat. :shot: (Okay this is getting too real lol).

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-Our university offers this award upon graduation that recognizes your achievement in terms of the EC. They called it 'prestigious' and played motivational music in the background when they presented it. My gullible a** totally bought it so now I want that award.

One of the requirement is being involved in 2 committee positions throughout the 3 years. I will be significantly busier in the next 2 years. Therefore I'm aiming to meet this requirement this year so I can concentrate more on academia next year. (Sound insanely practical and cynical but that's just the truth).

-Elevate the CV. Transferrable skills.

-Regarding my mental health. I guess just fake it until I make it. I sometimes have a little cry in the flat if I feel too stressed but I'm still getting the work done so it's not all bad. Recruiters don't have to know about this, the other committee members don't have to know about this, as long as no one in real life knows that's how I really feel then I guess it's fine. I bet there are plenty of law students/solicitors just faking their way through life too.

Oh my, that got way too real (when you have no one to talk to in real life so your resort to TSR for some clarity) :getmecoat:
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Sunday 21/10/18

-Cleaned flat.
-Prepared for seminars and caught up on lectures (about 6 hours of studying so far, might do more at night).
-Took a 2-hour nap again. (I've been taking 2-3 hour naps at around 4 pm for the past 3 days )


Academic:
-Equity and Trust/Property: Loving it right now, it's not easy, but it's those 'fun' hard.
-Contract: Loving it right now, the concepts are making sense, cases are interesting. Not too bad so far.
-Public: Like it. Concepts are not difficult, but not genuinely that enjoyable either. It's like pies, I would eat it, but I wouldn't voluntarily buy it.
-Criminal: Lol. Currently pretending that as long as I don't acknowledge it, it doesn't exist. I don't know where I am, where the class is at, what is happening. It's just a ball of mystery right now. Which absolutely sucks because I had such high hopes for it. :cry2:

Next week:
-Will be logging my hours. I feel like I never have time to do anything and I want to know exactly how my time is spent. Later compare my week to the table I made weeks ago.

-Not a lot of meetings/seminars (Only 3 meetings and 1 seminar so far).

-More law firms are coming but I'll see whether or not I'll go. Want to focus on ME this week. My well-being (physically and mentally).

-Will try to fix my sleeping schedule and improve diet/work out more.
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Small update* Day 1 of trying to fix sleeping schedule.

-This whole 'fixing sleeping schedule' thing is a lot harder than I expected.
-Finished getting ready at 10:45pm gave myself 45mins to fall asleep so I could get EXACTLY 8 hours of sleep. Dozed off and got woken up by doors slamming. (The walls in our flat are very thin and they literally slammed 10+ times).
-Got very agitated and this happened.


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(Me trying to be stern and passive aggressive but not too stern and passive-aggressive).

-I love my flatmates...but at night, I just want to physically fight each and every single one of them.
-After all of that, I am now I am wide awake and on TSR, again. :groovy:At 1 am.

Conclusion: In order to fix my sleeping schedule, I need to fix my entire flat's sleeping schedule because we are all messed up children.
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Small update* Day 1 of trying to fix sleeping schedule.

-This whole 'fixing sleeping schedule' thing is a lot harder than I expected.
-Finished getting ready at 10:45pm gave myself 45mins to fall asleep so I could get EXACTLY 8 hours of sleep. Dozed off and got woken up by doors slamming. (The walls in our flat are very thin and they literally slammed 10+ times).
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(Me trying to be stern and passive aggressive but not too stern and passive-aggressive).

-I love my flatmates...but at night, I just want to physically fight each and every single one of them.
-After all of that, I am now I am wide awake and on TSR, again. :groovy:At 1 am.

Conclusion: In order to fix my sleeping schedule, I need to fix my entire flat's sleeping schedule because we are all messed up children.
Haha, they will become more punctilious as the year progresses. Try ear plus or listening to the Avatar soundtrack or something to drown it out.

In first year, I beat them by simply going to sleep at 7am. I had the last laugh.
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Haha, they will become more punctilious as the year progresses. Try ear plus or listening to the Avatar soundtrack or something to drown it out.

In first year, I beat them by simply going to sleep at 7am. I had the last laugh.
:lol:

‘You can’t wake me up if I don’t sleep’ - logic.

Honestly I might actually try the ear plugs, it’s better than slipping sleeping pills into their food or something. (What are they gonna do, take me to court? I’m the law studeng here, they messed with my welfare.)

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