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Bath - 11th
Loughborough - 7th
St. Andrews - 5th
Lancaster - 8th
UEA - 14th
Surrey - 19th
Sussex - 25th
Essex - 26th
Royal Holloway - 28th
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Bath - 11th
Loughborough - 7th
St. Andrews - 5th
Lancaster - 8th
UEA - 14th
Surrey - 19th
Sussex - 25th
Essex - 26th
Royal Holloway - 28th
what are the places for. league table?
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Cass Business School
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The RG isn't relevant for foundation year engineering

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Another 'league table' thread...
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Sussex! (#1 on my list haha)
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Taking the cue from Doonesbury, if engineering is your aim, Strathclyde and Heriot-Watt are extremely notable universities in that area that aren't in the RG (which are actually "targeted" by employers which is less common in engineering on the whole anyway, which tells you a lot about their courses' worth).

From the other suggestions above, both within engineering and generally, Loughborough is quite notable. Bath is extremely prestigious (for whatever it's worth) generally, although I'm not that familiar with their engineering courses specifically (although I think they offer some connections between architecture, civil engineering, and architectural engineering which are less common at the undergraduate level, so that might be notable - they're also very well known for their technical oriented architecture course). St Andrews is similarly highly prestigious although I don't even know if they offer engineering. Sheffield is also good generally and I believe their engineering courses are fairly well regarded (they also have architecture/civil/architectural engineering connections, if that's of interest or relevance).

I could also name a few universities in the Russell Group who are considerably less prestigious than the RG tag might suggest if you take it on face value, both generally and for engineering specifically, including one from personal experience regarding engineering in particular...I would suggest focusing less on the supposed merits of the Russell Group (a research consortium, i.e. nothing to do with undergrads other than having perhaps more options to choose between) generally and as Doonesbury says, especially for engineering where it's so far out of the realm of relevancy (unless you want to do a PhD and you know that now...in which case you might get some earlier exposure to research at an RG uni compared to some others, although e.g. L'boro and Bath will be the same in that regard anyway and there are plenty of other exceptions).
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Leicester

Reading

Aberdeen - General Engineering, Law,

Bath - Accounting & Finance, Architecture, Chemical Engineering, Economics, Electrical & Electronic Engineering, Italian, Mathematics, Mechanical Engineering, Politics, Psychology, Sociology,

Loughborough - Accounting & Finance, Business & Management Studies, Geography, Mechanical Engineering, Psychology, Sociology,

Lancaster - Accounting & Finance, Art & Design, Biological Sciences, Chemical Engineering, Drama Dance & Cinematics, English, French, Geography, German, History, Physics & Astronomy,

East Anglia - American Studies, Nursing,

Dundee - Art & Design, Biologial Sciences, Dentistry, Education, Law,

Sussex - American Studies, Anthropology, Drama Dance & Cinematics,

Essex - Drama Dance & Cinematics,

Royal Holloway

Surrey - French, Music, Nursing,

Heriot-Watt

Swansea - Medicine

Strathclyde - Accounting & Finance, Architecture, Chemical Engineering, Civil Engineering, Electrical & Electronic Engineering, General Engineering, Mechanical Engineering

Stirling - Education

St Andrews - Biological Sciences, Business & Management Studies, Chemistry, Classics & Ancient History, Computer Science, Economics, English, French, Geography, German, History, History of Art, Architecture & Design, Mathematics, Philosophy, Physics & Astronomy, Politics, Psychology,


Which is every university that's top 40 on https://www.thecompleteuniversitygui...ables/rankings

Next to each one, I've now put some well known 'classic' subjects for which it particularly ranks top 5 on that site - or top 10 if more than 20 universities teach that subject. The ones with no subjects next to them did not rank in those positions this year.
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London Met
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City uni London
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Leicester
Reading
Aberdeen
Bath
Cardiff
Dundee
Sussex
Essex
Loughborough
Royal Holloway
Surrey
Heriot-Watt
Swansea
Strathclyde
Stirling

Basically, anything that's top 40 on https://www.thecompleteuniversitygui...ables/rankings

I'm not saying St Andrews as I regard it mainly as a finishing school for the rich, including rich internationals.
Cardiff is definitely RG
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Leicester
Reading
Aberdeen
Bath
Cardiff
Dundee
Sussex
Essex
Loughborough
Royal Holloway
Surrey
Heriot-Watt
Swansea
Strathclyde
Stirling

Basically, anything that's top 40 on https://www.thecompleteuniversitygui...ables/rankings

I'm not saying St Andrews as I regard it mainly as a finishing school for the rich, including rich internationals.
Does that mean St Andies is not 'good'? Considering OP is specifically asking about good unis.
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London Met
131st on https://www.thecompleteuniversitygui...niversity+Name .
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Sorry, it went over my head that it's the very lowest ranked because I'd alphabetically ordered it. I was aware that it wasn't in the top 40, say. However, research quality-wise, it's not terrible- better than Hull and Sunderland for that, for instance.
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St Andrews and Bath are equivalent to top (but not Oxbridge/LSE/Imperial top) brand RGs like Edinburgh, Bristol, Warwick, Durham, Exeter etc

Loughborough, Leicester, Sussex, SOAS, Lancaster are about equivalent to mid-tier brand and lower brand RGs like Birmingham, Manchester, York, Leeds and Liverpool, Cardiff, QMUL, QUB etc

Then the likes of Heriot Watt, RHUL, UEA, Surrey, Aberdeen, Strathclyde, Aston, Kent, Dundee, Reading, Coventry, City, Brunel etc round out the top 40-45 or so. Maybe Swansea (if you're doing engineering..)

Then the alright ex-polys and less recognised non-RGs like Stirling, DMU, Portsmouth, Bangor, Northumbria etc

Obviously this is for general "brand" which is more important in some industries (finance, politics, law, journalism, consulting etc) than others (engineering, design, media, business support functions, etc)
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St Andrews and Bath are equivalent to top (but not Oxbridge/LSE/Imperial top) brand RGs like Edinburgh, Bristol, Warwick, Durham, Exeter etc

Loughborough, Leicester, Sussex, SOAS, Lancaster are about equivalent to mid-tier brand and lower brand RGs like Birmingham, Manchester, York, Leeds and Liverpool, Cardiff, QMUL, QUB etc

Then the likes of Heriot Watt, RHUL, UEA, Surrey, Aberdeen, Strathclyde, Aston, Kent, Dundee, Reading, Coventry, City, Brunel etc round out the top 40-45 or so. Maybe Swansea (if you're doing engineering..)

Then the alright ex-polys and less recognised non-RGs like Stirling, DMU, Portsmouth, Bangor, Northumbria etc

Obviously this is for general "brand" which is more important in some industries (finance, politics, law, journalism, consulting etc) than others (engineering, design, media, business support functions, etc)
Sadly, Leicester and Reading seem to have been slipping in recent years. Leicester has a problem in that it doesn't really have a single subject in which it is a 'must go' place. It's more a general sense of the vibe/architecture of the campus / student village that attracts people I think- and that it has some history e.g it was a college nof the University of London, DNA fingerprinting, David Attenborough was born on the campus, Philip Larkin was a librarian there for a bit before he went to Hull etc, it has a James Stirling building and eye catching brutalism... Historically, Leicester was very good for medicine, on a par with Kings College London, but places catch up. It's also got a small handful of good niche departments, like for Victorian Literature and American Studies.
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